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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday 09-28-2006
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 09-28-2006

Posted on 09/28/2006 8:54:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1709588/posts?page=1

House passes detainee bill

Republicans pushed a bill supported by President George W. Bush to set rules for interrogating and trying terrorism suspects through the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday and Senate Republicans were expected to follow within a day.

The House passed the bill 253-168 largely along party lines, dismissing warnings from Democrats that courts would strike down the plan for failing to meet judicial standards.

Republicans who control both chambers want to send the bill to Bush by the weekend, when lawmakers head out to campaign for November elections that will determine control of Congress.

The bill sets up procedures to try foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Supreme Court struck down Bush's original plan, saying it violated U.S. and international standards.

As Senate debate on the bill got under way, Republicans defeated an attempt to pass an alternative that Democrats said would meet Supreme Court standards and help restore America's image, damaged by harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

The Senate was expected to pass the bill on Thursday, after considering several other amendments.

Republicans, seeking to polish their terrorism-fighting credentials in the final days of their campaigns, depicted the new rules as tough but fair.

"By formally establishing terrorist tribunals, the bill provides a critical tool in fighting the war on terror and it provides a measure of justice to the victims of 9/11," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, said the bill provides "basic fairness in our prosecutions but we also preserve the ability of our war fighters to operate effectively on the battlefield."

But Human rights groups and many Democrats said the deal gave Bush too much latitude to allow harsh interrogations and to deprive detainees of legal rights.

Rep. Ellen Tauscher, a California Democrat, said agreeing to "such an ambiguous compromise would allow the president to define torture when and how he sees fit."

Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, said the bill sends a signal that "America's leaders are willing to abandon our values ... in favor of thuggish tactics they hope might make them safer for a little while."

Democrats also predicted the courts would find the bill unconstitutional because it deprived detainees held without charges of the right to file legal challenges to their imprisonment.

Under a compromise worked out last week, the CIA will be able to continue aggressive interrogations, but supporters of the bill said agency interrogators would comply with the Geneva Conventions' requirement for humane treatment.

The bill also expands the definition of "enemy combatants," who can be held indefinitely without charges, to include those who knowingly support terrorist groups with arms, money and other activities.

Backers of the bill said that provision would choke off supplies to terrorist groups, but critics said it was too broad and could subject many more people to indefinite detention.


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To: Clint N. Suhks

James Spader is excellent as well.....for me ,it's his best work


281 posted on 09/28/2006 9:55:27 AM PDT by advertising guy
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To: Mo1

GO, PETE!! Go to blazes, ROCKSFORBRAINS!


282 posted on 09/28/2006 9:55:37 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Roccus

ok- going to go lay down....too much work to do to feel like this....

THANKS!


283 posted on 09/28/2006 9:55:39 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (STEVE KING /JOHN BOLTON FOR '08...Ann picks King...I pick Bolton!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Well, it's an important race in NYS. And it shows how low 'Rats will go to win an election. And how badly Upstate needs its own state.


284 posted on 09/28/2006 9:55:43 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: KevinDavis

Count on RINOs for anything, and you'll deserve what you get....


285 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: eeevil conservative

Soft, gentle music in the background also helps. I like Kitaro.


286 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:31 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. [Stolen from FReeper Stallone])
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To: mewzilla
"That's enough for me to question her judgement..."

She is attractive enough to find a decent man. Why put up with a crook and wanderer. Gets her nothing but grief.

287 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:51 AM PDT by cibco (Xin Loi! Saddam)
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To: mewzilla
NYSlimes; September 28, 2006 Thursday....

Federal prosecutors in New York are investigating whether Jeanine F. Pirro, the Republican candidate for state attorney general, and Bernard B. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, illegally taped conversations of Ms. Pirro's husband last year to determine if he was having an affair.

At a hastily arranged news conference yesterday, called because of an imminent television report on the inquiry, Ms. Pirro conceded that she had her husband, Albert, followed in the summer of 2005. She said she had discussed bugging the family's boat with Mr. Kerik, an old friend who was then running his own security business. But Ms. Pirro, who was the district attorney of Westchester County at the time, said she never went through with the plan, and she insisted that she broke no laws.

Seething with anger, and choking up as she laid bare her marital problems, Ms. Pirro said that two federal agents approached her at her home late one recent night and revealed that the United States attorney's office for the Southern District of New York was investigating her surveillance discussions. They had been caught on tape by Bronx authorities who were conducting a separate investigation of Mr. Kerik.

With less than six weeks to go until the Nov. 7 election, Ms. Pirro said she was being hounded by authorities as part of a ''political witch hunt and smear campaign'' led by the same federal lawyer who helped convict Mr. Pirro of tax evasion in 2000. But the United States attorney for the Southern District, Michael J. Garcia, a Republican appointee, issued a statement denying that the inquiry was politically motivated.

Ms. Pirro said she would remain in the race against the Democratic nominee, Andrew M. Cuomo, although top Republican leaders appeared torn over her fate yesterday, and former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani canceled a fund-raiser for her next month. A telegenic politician who has often appeared as a commentator on legal matters, she has been considered a potential future leader of the party and perhaps a candidate for governor. Republican leaders had considered Ms. Pirro's bid to replace Attorney General Eliot Spitzer as the party's best hope of capturing a statewide office.

At her news conference, Ms. Pirro acknowledged that she was angry with Mr. Pirro, who fathered a child in an extramarital affair in the 1980's, and with whom Ms. Pirro has two children. But she said she was guilty only of the anger of a woman scorned. And she also said her political fate should be a matter of a concern to women.

''There is no way -- when I have the opportunity to be the first woman attorney general in the history of this state -- that I am going to be pushed out of this race because somebody wants to delve into the personal lives of my husband and myself,'' she said. ''I'm standing up for myself and I'm standing up for women.''

288 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:51 AM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: STARWISE
I can't believe these Dems are fighting and want to treat terrorists as American Citizens
289 posted on 09/28/2006 9:57:00 AM PDT by Mo1 (Hey McCain and Graham .... our soldiers signed up to dodge bullets not lawsuits)
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To: mewzilla

I think she is too politically correct for a pubbie, also.


290 posted on 09/28/2006 9:58:15 AM PDT by aligncare (This time Islam picked the wrong century and the wrong continent to attack)
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To: advertising guy
He makes the show.

It's given Candice Bergen a rebirth too.
291 posted on 09/28/2006 9:58:17 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: MaestroLC
And she also said her political fate should be a matter of a concern to women.

Nice try, Jeanine.

292 posted on 09/28/2006 9:58:27 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: eeevil conservative
The Left no knows nothing about the History of Islamic Armies or anything about how today's Jihadist copy there style of fighting if they had did they would not be so quick to want to give them rights period
293 posted on 09/28/2006 9:58:27 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: aligncare

Today Seems so long


294 posted on 09/28/2006 10:03:34 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: MaestroLC

Anyone good at digging things up should try to look into Andrew Cuomo's involvement with the Wed Tech scandal. It also involved the head of either the NG or Army Res in NY at the time. The name Ehrlich or Erlich comes to mind. I don't remember the details, but do remember that as soon as Andy's name came up, everything got reeeeaaally quiet.


295 posted on 09/28/2006 10:03:43 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. [Stolen from FReeper Stallone])
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To: Roccus

The Wedtech Scandal was the name of an American political scandal that came to light in the late 1980s involving the Wedtech Corporation.

The company had been founded in Bronx County, New York by a Puerto Rican immigrant named John Mariotta, and originally manufactured baby carriages. But after a number of years, Mariotta brought in a partner, Fred Neuberger, and began focusing on contracts for the Department of Defense.

As a major employer in a depressed part of New York City Wedtech enjoyed a strong local reputation, and was even praised by then U.S. President Ronald Reagan for the jobs it provided for those who might otherwise be forced onto welfare rolls.

But Wedtech had won many of its defense contracts under a Small Business Administration program which allowed minority-owned businesses to be awarded no-bid contracts, despite the fact that Fred Neuberger, not a member of any minority, owned a majority of the company's stock, thus disqualifying Wedtech as a minority-owned business. To keep Neuberger's controlling ownership secret, the company committed fraud, forging papers that claimed Mariotta was still the primary owner of the company.

When Wedtech went public, it gave shares of stock to law firms (as payment for legal services). But many of the law firms employed members of the U.S. House of Representatives, including Bronx Congressman Mario Biaggi, who would later lose his job for his role in the scandal.

Wedtech then began extending its reach to the White House, utilizing President Reagan's press secretary, Lyn Nofziger, to contact public liaison officer (and future Senator) Elizabeth Dole. Through Dole, Wedtech won a $32 million contract to produce small engines for the United States Army. This was only the first of many no-bid deals that eventually totalled $250 million.

By the final years of Reagan's second term, Wedtech's crimes had become too numerous to hide. An independent counsel was appointed by Congress, which later charged Attorney General Edwin Meese with complicity in the scandal (he had worked as a lobbyist for the company prior to his appointment to Justice). While Meese was never convicted of any wrongdoing, he resigned in 1988 when the independent counsel delivered the report on Wedtech.

In all, about 20 state, local, and federal government officials were convicted of crimes in connection to the scandal. Some of these convictions, however, were reversed on appeal when it was found that Anthony Guariglia, former Wedtech president and a star government witness, had committed perjury.

Halliburton has sometimes been compared to Wedtech, as another frequent recipient of no-bid contracts with possible insider connections.

This entry is from Wikipedia, the leading user-contributed encyclopedia. It may not


296 posted on 09/28/2006 10:06:14 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hey good luck with the bears


297 posted on 09/28/2006 10:06:53 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: KevinDavis

Not only that, reverse control of the Senate, and see what Detainee Treatment bill would of passed. What Terrorist Survallience bill etc etc etc


298 posted on 09/28/2006 10:07:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Thanks.


299 posted on 09/28/2006 10:07:38 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie
How close do you think the votes will be in the senate?
300 posted on 09/28/2006 10:08:39 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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