Iraq terror leader recruits scientists (Al-Qaida in Iraq: 4,000 insurgents dead)

The Beacon Journal & AP ^ | September 28, 2006 | PATRICK QUINN

[Grampa Dave]

I use our bug zapper a lot more since my friend told me.:)

[Blue State Insurgent]

So are the Iraqis too infantile or brown skinned to want freedom?

[Marine_Uncle]

" Sorry but there is NO beneftit for them to exaggerate their losses and plenty of reason for them to play down their losses."
I simply included a few extra notes some of us are aware of.
Your statement is accepted with a roger that.

[RobRoy]

>>So are the Iraqis too infantile or brown skinned to want freedom?<<

It is not the color of their skin. It is their culture.

Fact is, the American heritage that we have had drilled into our heads since kindergarten, coupled with our country's actual history and beginnings cause us to understand and value individual freedom and the strengths it brings to our society in general. It is based very stronly on Christianity, whether many want to admit it or not. And it has become our collective identity, although it is eroding. But it takes many generations for it to do so.

In places like Iraq, they too have been trained since childhood and also have a long heritage with which they identify. It is based on Islam. Islam teaches total obedience down to which foot with which you are to enter a room and where to point your head when you pray. You are controlled and cared for by others and, if you obey the rules, you are not responsible at all for what happens to you or your condition. Like a toddler lost in Disneyland without their parent, they don't want freedom. They want their mommy!

Individual freedom is a foreign concept to them. And as with the US, it will take multiple generations to remove that perceived identity. Democracy, or even the concept of a REAL constitutional republic will not be coming any time soon there.

Bush knows this.

[ikez78]

Bush knows what exactly?

[RobRoy]

Check out Bush's speech from right after 911. He explicitly said this would take a LONG time.

[ikez78]

True, more than that though.

[GSlob]

"urged insurgents to kidnap Westerners so they could be traded for a blind Egyptian sheik who is serving a life sentence in a U.S. prison."
One more reason for speedy executions instead of jail sentences.

[Valin]

They've been talking and planning to do that for a while now.
Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman is a blind Egyptian Muslim cleric who is currently serving a life sentence at the Federal Administrative Maximum Penitentiary hospital in Florence, Colorado.
(For what it's worth) I was reading an article a while ago where one of the guard at Super Max in Florence said that most of the inmate go insane after a couple of years there. You're pretty much cut off from all human contact.

[BOBWADE]

[GSlob]

Depends on the person [as for going insane]. I used to know a few people who would voluntarily choose a comfortable solitary with sensory deprivation over practically everything else. And they were perfectly sane, at least as far as I could judge. These were creative types, though, and I suppose they were "internally superabundant" and thus would welcome the opportunity to sort and develop it. This does not apply in the present case, though.
I always thought thet the likes of Rahman ought to be executed with the maximum alacrity, merely to avoid making their continued existence a pretext for hostage-taking.