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To: Hoplite
"Impotent rage against America - see?"

No, Hoppie, "impotent rage against America" is the MO of the Muslims who you support. It's why you and they are hoping for "72 virgins in Heaven" -- "women who won't expect much" are all that the impotent can handle.

I am an American, born and bred -- an "American nationalist" (AKA patriot) and it is from through the eyes of American ethic I see this Balkan blunder, just as the author of the original article does.

You may be right, in that Serbia does on paper, lose Kosovo. Of course it would be a completely unethical and illegal action, but the forces that seem to be shaping events these days don't really seem to care about legality or ethics when it comes to the Balkans. They just want what they want and are willing to break all the rules-- even their own -- to get it.

But Serbs waited four hundred years the last time to reclaim their lands from Muslims and they can wait again again if they have to. It won't have been the first time Germany and it's Islamo-fascist partners hit them from both sides and it won't be the last. But the Serbs know better this time -- they won't naively embrace a "bratsvo jedinstvo" (one brotherhood) poltical mentality with their neighbors again, which left them vulnerable this last time.

As angry as Serbs may be at the American government right now(as often many non-Serbs here on the board are), an attack on America on our turf just isn't their style. They are the only member state of the former Yugoslavia to have had a history of parlimentary democracy and a historical rock-hard resolve against both fascism and Islamic aggression. Serbia's ideological enemies are America's ideological enemies -- they know that, even if America doesn't.

69 posted on 09/24/2006 11:25:39 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
Hmmm... compare and contrast:
Hate to say it, but I am actually rooting for the Serbs to kick our ass. source
I am an American, born and bred -- an "American nationalist" (AKA patriot) and it is from through the eyes of American ethic I see this Balkan blunder, just as the author of the original article does.

American patriotism isn't something you can cry up whenever it suits your agenda, Boka. It's either your agenda from the start or it's not.

Your agenda as far as the Balkans goes is dominated by Serbian nationalism from what I've seen, and it's going to bring you nothing but hair pulling disappointment as far as trying to reconcile it with the relevant portions of American foreign policy.

Ah schadenfreude. Such a guilty pleasure, and it couldn't be derived from a more deserving bunch of ethno-racist ignorami.

71 posted on 09/24/2006 11:43:53 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Bokababe; joan; montyspython; DTA; getoffmylawn; ma bell; Beckwith; Southside_Chicago_Republican; ..

Do you know why these elite want an independent Kosovo? I submit a quote that is true to an extent, by Richard Holbrooke;



Circa 1998:

Interviewer:

"There's a military insurrection that is taking shape, backed by the members of the Albania Diaspora in Germany, Switzerland, and right here in New York City, where a lot of Albanians and Albanian-Americans are sending a lot of money and support to Kosovo. (Gosh - NYC? -SG)"

COMMENT: The actual truth as it was told in 1998:

Holbrooke: An independent Kosovo would "unravel Southeastern Europe."

JIM LEHRER: And they want an independent Kosovo ruled by Albanians, right?

RICHARD HOLBROOKE: Yes. And more. I met with several Albanian leaders in Kosovo who said their goal is an independent Kosovo, their goal is to recreate the Greater Albania that existed briefly during the 30's and 40's, which includes Albania, Kosovo, and part of Macedonia. That, I can tell you, Jim, would unravel Southeastern Europe and dramatically increase the chances of a general war. And that's why the situation is both not the same as Bosnia and why it's so dangerous
I really need to stress this point so people do not misunderstand it. The Kosovo Albanians have been very badly treated for over a decade by the Serb minority in Kosovo. Their rights have been denied and the Yugoslav federal constitution was changed to reduce their powers. This was entirely wrong, and it led to the inevitable reaction which we're now seeing. At the same time, the violent solution which is being advocated by the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, which is really not an army but a lot of different groups that are gradually forming an infrastructure of resistance, this approach is highly dangerous to stability in the region.



He told the truth back then, but then changed his tue later in 2005....

Now--fast-forward Nov 8 2005:

Holbrooke, the architect of the 1995 Bosnian peace deal, who said that independence was the only way forward for Kosovo and its mainly Muslim Albanians.

"I cannot see any final status for Kosovo other than independence," said Holbrooke, who forged the Dayton Peace Accords that ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.
"But at the same time ... this cannot be achieved without ironclad guarantees for the safety, security, and protection of the rights of the Serbs who live in Kosovo and the protection of their magnificent monuments," he said.

Now.....

Subject: Kosovo Independence and a new Initiative from the U.S.
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:34:13 -0800 (PST)

23/12/2005 Washington
Albanian Push for Kosovo

With negotiations on the final status of Kosovo set to begin in early January, Kosovo residents of Albanian origin and their friends in the United States have launched a campaign in Washington in favor of the territory's independence. An organization named Alliance for a New Kosovo was founded last month and is being run by two lobbyists from the American firm Jefferson Waterman. They are Samuel Hoskinson, former vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council and Kempton Jenkins, an ex deputy assistant secretary for East-West trade at the State Department. The organization has lined up a high-profile consultative council whose members include Frank
Carlucci, chairman of the Carlyle Group; lieutenant-general Robert Gard, former president of the National Defense University; William Edwin Ryerson, ex American ambassador to Albania; Walter Stadtler, who long handled European affairs for the U.S. delegation at the United Nations; Fred Fielding, who served as Ronald Reagan's lawyer; and William Walker, former chief of the OSCE's Kosovo Verification Mission. [From the French intel publication, Intelligence Online]



Notice the names involved in the independence bid...do your search: "Carlucci, chairman of the Carlyle Group"

Now, here is the trick. All of them KNOW that making Kosovo independent would destablize the Balkans. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!!! This will fuel the campaign to Western Macedonia, extricate remaining Serbs in Kosovo while the Albanian leaders damn the violence against minorities they give the okay behind closed doors; target South Serbia, where the Albanians have been living in harmony with the Serbs. Did you know that in 1999-2001, the exact month and year I don't remember right now, but Shifket Muslieu, UCPMB Commander.....(enemy of Mohammand Xhemili) and probably responsible for his death in 2005...anyway, ole Shifket went to south Presevo to stir up the Albanians in South Presevo and long story short was threatened by the hard liners in South Presevo that if he continued to recruit and stir up trouble there they would kill his......A#&. That they were okay in South Presevo living with the Serbs. Imagine that........

If we start in on Serbia, it will not be America, it will be the elitist hijacking our armed forces to do their dirty work....these are the facts. In 1933-1935 these scum attempted to bribe General Smedely Butler, USMC to lead a force of 500,000 disgruntled former American Vets...into DC to take over the country. This is a true story and documented by Sworn testimony before Congress..

quote:

"The supportive military/industrial complex entities and banks that are reaping untold zillions in cash profits are testimony to the accuracy of that famous observation coined by two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winner, the late Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler: "War is a racket!" And those who profit from war by risking the funds, lives and limbs of others can indeed be classified as "racketeers!"

Although numerous articles and commentaries have been written about Butler, a true American hero, his greatest contribution to our nation has never been highlighted or revealed".

"1934 - Coup d'etat attempt (?) by JP Morgan, du Ponts, GM people, American Legion reps., turned to Smedley Butler, former Marine Commandant who allegedly turned over information to Roosevelt. [He] was forced to resign as Commandant after he called Mussolini a Dictator." And later: "McCormack-Dickstein hearings into coup attempt confirmed it, but the report was not immediately released."

highly recommended reading....

America Is At A Crossroads

By Karl W B Schwarz
kwbschwarz@comcast.net
1-2-6

http://www.rense.com/general69/crossroads.htm


100 posted on 09/24/2006 11:52:00 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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