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CA: Innovator Devises Way Around Electoral College (Veto this Arnold!)
NEW YORK TIMES ^ | September 22, 2006 | Rick Lyman

Posted on 09/21/2006 11:26:10 PM PDT by calcowgirl

In his early 20’s, John R. Koza and fellow graduate students invented a brutally complicated board game based on the Electoral College ...

Now, a 63-year-old eminence among computer scientists who teaches genetic programming at Stanford, Dr. Koza has decided to top off things with an end run on the Constitution. He has concocted a plan for states to skirt the Electoral College system legally to insure the election of whichever presidential candidate receives the most votes nationwide.

The first fruit of his effort, a bill approved by the California legislature that would allocate the state’s 55 electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, sits on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s desk. The governor has to decide by Sept. 30 whether to sign it ...

The brainstorm behind Dr. Koza’s effort, led by a seven-month-old group, National Popular Vote, was to abandon that approach and focus on creating interstate compacts. Those are contracts that bind states over issues like nuclear waste and port authorities.

Dr. Koza’s compact, if approved by enough legislatures, would commit a state’s electors to vote for the candidate who wins the most national votes, even if the candidate loses in that state.

“The bottom line is that the system has outlived its usefulness,” said Assemblyman Thomas J. Umberg, the Anaheim Democrat who sponsored the bill here. “It’s past time that Americans should elect their president by direct vote of the people.”

Mr. Umberg and his staff met some of Mr. Schwarzenegger’s top staff members on Wednesday and came away encouraged about the prospects of the legislation. Although they received no commitment, it was clear that the governor, a Republican, was seriously considering the question and had not made up his mind about it, Mr. Umberg said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab2948; callegislation; electoralcollege; electoralvote; electoralvotes; nationalpopularvote; popularvote; vetobait
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To: RockinRight

c # 100


101 posted on 09/22/2006 1:00:58 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: kabar; Southack

And excellent explanation, kabar!

I'm against this BIG TIME.

Arnold better NOT sign this bill.


102 posted on 09/22/2006 1:01:29 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: bahblahbah; kabar; JCEccles
They even call it an interstate compact on their website.

You are correct, and my earlier comments were wrong. I simply assumed that they had structured it informally, but I now see that it is intended to be a true compact among states.

I read over their material in which they address Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution but fail to make any kind of persuasive case that this compact would not require Congressional approval. The best they can do is cite a few Supreme Court opinions allowing compacts which either have implied consent or are effectively so straightforward and have so little effect on states outside the compact as to not need Congressional consent.

However, most compacts among states do receive explicit Congressional consent. I doubt very much if such a far-reaching one as this could get past the Supreme Court without such explicit Congressional consent. It obviously effects nonmembers states politically in a multitude of ways and on a core issue of our democracy.

So the question is, how likely would Congress be to grant such consent? A lot would depend upon which political party controlled each house of Congress. It could get bottled up in committees, and it could be filibustered in the Senate. Small states would tend to oppose it, since it eliminates their disproportionate influence in the Electoral College. And since small states also have disproportionate influence in the U.S. Senate, the tendency will be for them to block consent.

103 posted on 09/22/2006 1:59:01 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: calex59
"If you win more votes than the other guy, you have won what is condidered a majority."

If you win more votes than the rest of the candidates (plural, there were more than two candidates in the race) but less than 50% you have won a "plurality".

no yitbos

104 posted on 09/22/2006 3:30:51 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. " - Ayn Rand)
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To: calcowgirl

If Dems lose using his method, what will they cry about then?


105 posted on 09/22/2006 3:32:25 PM PDT by sappy
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
>The governor has to decide by Sept. 30 whether to sign it ...
Did he?

Nothing yet. He has 8 more days to decide on hundreds of bills.

106 posted on 09/22/2006 3:50:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper; calex59
I don't know what the exact wording of California's measure is...

Text of Law - AB 2948:

(snip)

      Article 3.  Manner of Appointing Presidential Electors in
Member States

      Prior to the time set by law for the meeting and voting by the
presidential electors, the chief election official of each member
state shall determine the number of votes for each presidential slate
in each state of the United States and in the District of Columbia
in which votes have been cast in a statewide popular election and
shall add such votes together to produce a "national popular vote
total" for each presidential slate.

   The chief election official of each member state shall designate
the presidential slate with the largest national popular vote total
as the "national popular vote winner."

107 posted on 09/22/2006 3:57:20 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: dpwiener

This is a serious movement with an array of legal advisors and constitutional advisors on their side. More than likely it would be challenged in the courts all the way up to the SCOTUS. There is no guarantee that this would be declared unconstitutional and SCOTUS may wish to stay out of it and defer to the states' authorty and rights under the Constitution. You can bet that the legal issues have been vetted in the various states, including California, where this plan is moving forward.


108 posted on 09/22/2006 6:09:49 PM PDT by kabar
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To: calex59
In 2000, if all states subscribed to this method, Gore would have won.

In 2000, if all states subscribed to this method, Gore would have received 100=percent of the Electoral College vote, because Gore WON the national popular vote.

In other words, I'm not sure why Florida would have made any particular difference. Every state, regardless of its individual outcome, would have given its Electoral College votes to Gore because Gore WON the national popular vote by 500,000.

109 posted on 09/23/2006 5:17:15 AM PDT by Edit35
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