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MIT designs 'invisible,' floating wind turbines
PhysOrg ^ | 9/19/2006 | Nancy Stuaffer

Posted on 09/19/2006 8:50:52 AM PDT by Uncledave

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To: sitetest
"Great point! However, the blades would still create a lot of lift, no?"

Most of these big windmills are designed to automatically "feather" the blades under conditions of high wind, so the "lift profile" would be minimal. I think the answer "is" no.

21 posted on 09/19/2006 9:09:21 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: rellimpank

Alternator generators with blade pitch governors ought to work.


22 posted on 09/19/2006 9:11:11 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Dear Wonder Warthog,

I thought that there might be some mechanism like that in play.

Thanks.


sitetest


23 posted on 09/19/2006 9:11:41 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Let Darwin deal with the hapless birds.


24 posted on 09/19/2006 9:12:08 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Building, sorry.


25 posted on 09/19/2006 9:12:45 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Moonman62
How are they going to get the electricity onshore?

A very long extension cord.

26 posted on 09/19/2006 9:12:49 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Red Badger

You're joking, but enough of these things to generate a significant amount of power, when located in deep water, would be a serious hazard to navigation.


27 posted on 09/19/2006 9:13:51 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Uncledave
In the Northeast, for example, they could be 50 to 150 kilometers from shore.

It seems to me that they could be much closer to shore without 'offending' sensitive eyeballs, such as Ted Kennedy's.

28 posted on 09/19/2006 9:15:07 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: ASOC

Back in the day that telegraphy guy strung a cable covered in gutta-percha all the way across the atlantic. Took him about three tries too -- it kept breaking and falling to the bottom. That was some high-voltage stuff too, that was the only way they could keep it charged across all those thousands of miles.


29 posted on 09/19/2006 9:20:45 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice IslamĀ®)
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To: jrp

Dear jrp,

"It would take thousands of these things to equal the capacity of one nuclear power plant."

Well, the article says that the turbines being designed can generate 5MW each. I live in Maryland, not too far from the Calvert Cliffs nuclear power plants. Each of the two Calvert Cliffs units generates about 850MW, for a total of about 1.7GW.

I'm sure there are bigger nuclear plants, but I'm sure there are smaller, too.

To generate as much electricity as Calvert Cliffs, one would need about 340 of these turbines.

I read another article posted by UncleDave about a proposed off-shore wind turbine farm in New England. From that article, it seems that one places hundreds of these turbines together in a "farm," several hundred feet apart from one another. I guess you could get roughly a hundred of these turbines in a square mile.

So, to generate the electricity equivalent of the Calvert Cliffs nuclear facility, you'd need a few square miles of ocean. Since these facilities can be "planted" between about 30 to 100 miles off-shore, and since we have a pretty good amount of coastline off the East and West coasts of the US, we could plant a few hundred of these farms without using much of the available surface of the ocean.

That'd generate a substantial portion of the electricity used by the United States.


sitetest


30 posted on 09/19/2006 9:28:40 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: rellimpank
--I am curious about the conversion of windmill power (DC, I assume) to line power (3-phase AC)---anybody out here have a reference?

It would probably remain DC all the way to the shore, then conversion from DC to AC is done with an inverter. While they're not as big as what they would use, you can buy DC-AC converters at any electronics shop, or at Wal-Mart where it plugs into your cigarette lighter.

31 posted on 09/19/2006 9:40:41 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat; CollegeRepublican

--thanks--I go all the way back to Ward-Leonard systems on AC-DC--have been around a few windmill setups from the highway--was curious about the big outfits with three hundred foot blades and the high-voltage three-phase conversion---


32 posted on 09/19/2006 9:46:21 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Cowboy Bob
How do you prevent birds from flying into it?

By keeping it "50 to 150 kilometers from shore" old sport.

33 posted on 09/19/2006 9:48:35 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Locomotive Breath

In the late 60's early 70's Offshore Power Systems, I believe a div of GE, was going to build floating Nuclear power plants off the coast of Jacksonville FL, but I think the Enviro Nutcases got it killed before it was ever off the ground (or on the water)...........


34 posted on 09/19/2006 10:07:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Locomotive Breath
You're joking, but enough of these things to generate a significant amount of power, when located in deep water, would be a serious hazard to navigation.

You think THATS bad, what about the birds?

35 posted on 09/19/2006 10:08:23 AM PDT by Paradox (The "smarter" the individual, the greater his power of self-delusion.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

It was Westinghouse, not GE..........see link for more info......

http://www.atomicinsights.com/aug96/Offshore.html


36 posted on 09/19/2006 10:09:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Brad Cloven
But Al Blore beat you to it! He invented everything between Fire and Chips (Potatoe & Nacho!)

BTW nobody speaks of OTEC which solves multiple problems utilizing the energy in sea water!

Sea All That It Can Be!

37 posted on 09/19/2006 10:10:01 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Young Werther

I wonder if the electricity from these things would be cheap enough for Iran to end their nuclear power development?


38 posted on 09/19/2006 10:18:44 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: LZ_Bayonet
"I wonder if the electricity from these things would be cheap enough for Iran to end their nuclear power development?" /sarc>
Fixed it!
39 posted on 09/19/2006 10:40:37 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Yes, but that's not what that idiot wants!


40 posted on 09/19/2006 10:45:13 AM PDT by Young Werther
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