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Bush to send interrogation compromise to Hill (Bush throwing the RINOs a life raft)
MSNBC ^ | 9/18/2006 | AP

Posted on 09/18/2006 7:43:27 PM PDT by tobyhill

WASHINGTON - The White House told lawmakers it would send Congress a revised proposal late Monday for dealing with terrorism suspects as the number of GOP senators publicly opposing President Bush's initial plan continued to grow.

A Republican-led Senate committee last week defied Bush and approved terror-detainee legislation that Bush vowed to block. Sen. John Warner, normally a Bush supporter, pushed the measure through his Senate Armed Services Committee by a 15-9 vote.

John Ullyot, a spokesman for Warner, said the Virginia senator expected to receive another draft of the legislation. No details were immediately available.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; bushdoctrineunfold; interrogations; mccain; terrorism; thewall; wall
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To: churchillbuff; nopardons; Toddsterpatriot; Howlin; onyx; MikefromOhio
Maybe we shouldn't waterboard captives. We didn't do it to Japs or Krauts, North Koreans or North Vietnamese. We have lower moral standards today, and it's causing McCain and Lindsey Graham and George Schultz and Gen. Vessy a little culture shock to get used to this. But they'll eventually give in, I suspect. It's a barbaric world, and it's high time America climed into the muck. The standards of the era of MacArthur and Eisenhower (let alone Washington and Putnam, Grant and Sheridan) have to be consigned to history's ashheap. We have to grow up and get down in the gutter with our enemies.

You're a sickening little twit, aren't you?

41 posted on 09/18/2006 8:43:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Cold Heat

Geneva article 3 is pretty clear. all you have to ask yourself is whether the treaty would have been ratified, if the provisions in it meant what McCain thinks they mean. no way in hell would it ever have been ratified, so that tells you all you need to know about its intrepretation.

What McCain and Anthony Kennedy want to do - is REWRITE it.


42 posted on 09/18/2006 8:43:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Petronski
You're a sickening little twit, aren't you?""

You talkin to me - or to the Republican heavyweights who agree with me, like Gen. Vessey (Reagan's top general), George Schultz (Reagan's Sec of State), Gen. Powell (Reagan's, Bush I's and Bush II's everything?) A bunch of twits, all of them, yessirree.

43 posted on 09/18/2006 8:45:11 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
But then, our moral code was higher back then.

Right, that's why we have rounded up all of the Muslims, or did you forget the forcible internment of 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry?

44 posted on 09/18/2006 8:45:17 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: churchillbuff

Republican heavyweights? LOL


Shultz was a fat bastard, but Powell is just a bony fool.


45 posted on 09/18/2006 8:46:03 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: churchillbuff

Keith Olberman is on your side...you should be proud


46 posted on 09/18/2006 8:46:20 PM PDT by woofie
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To: tobyhill

I agree - Bush has done all he can on this issue, the people have the power to vote, if they hand people like McCain and Graham and Warner the power to decide - then whatever happens, they've gotten the government they deserve.


47 posted on 09/18/2006 8:47:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: churchillbuff
Poor churchillstuff...still pounding your hatred drum. Well, at least you got tired of schilling for Charlie Wrangle on the draft.
48 posted on 09/18/2006 8:47:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: woofie
Keith Olberman is on your side...you should be proud"""

According to an AP story tonight, so are a growing number of House Republicans. I've always been a Republican because I consider it the party with conscience., That's why it's pro-life. And that's why, in the end, it's not going to be pro-torture. The party of Lincoln, TR, Eisenhower and Reagan has too much conscience in its genetic code.

49 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:15 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: oceanview
McCain, Graham, Warner and the other RINOs want to keep the subjective terminology in the GC because by doing this it keep the administration in a corner no matter what they do with the terrorist.
50 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:23 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: churchillbuff

of course we did. we didn't do it ROUTINELY, and it wasn't a ROUTINE part of military practice with POWs, but you can bet it was done in key circumstances by parts of the US intelligence community on certain captured persons - and that's the ability we need to maintain today. Bush isn't arguing that every person captured by the US military, should be routinely beaten to a pulp by a group of privates in the army and marines. That's the spin the left is trying to put on this "torture" issue.


51 posted on 09/18/2006 8:51:10 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: churchillbuff

You want to read what Olbemann said ...here ya go: (I couldnt get through it)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-the-president-of-the-united-states-owes-this-country-an-apology/


52 posted on 09/18/2006 8:51:15 PM PDT by woofie
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To: tobyhill

but what I would like to know is - from a purely political angle - if George Allen wants to be president, why isn't he out there pounding away on this issue, and taking it to McCain and his henchmen? the issue is easy to frame.


53 posted on 09/18/2006 8:54:58 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: churchillbuff
What is torture? McCain wasn't really tortured because he's alive. Real torture usually only has one ending, death. If a terrorist has to endure some pain in order to save American lives then so be it.
54 posted on 09/18/2006 8:55:36 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: churchillbuff
Maybe we shouldn't waterboard captives.

Maybe the Court should not have asked Congress to write the law!

Congress simply needs to write into the law that the president has this authority if the national interest and safety is at stake.

But they won't give the president the power he needs. Previously, the president simply took it and did it. The Constitution allows him to do so, if the Congress does not specify.

The Court in it's stupidity, as it is miffed with congress, has asked congress to bite it, and do it.

They are balking!

The whole thing is all a separation of powers issue. The president needs it, and they are caught in a trick bag.

Before this is over, they will figure out a way or we lose this tool. But if not united, the Dems will block it on a 60 vote parliamentary move, and nothing the president can do will change the fact that we have tied our hands.

In the end, the detainees will not be tried, the CIA will shoot the next detainee after field interrogation, or they will not make it that far and we will have lost a very effective tool in the war on terror.

Inactions have consequences, just as actions do. Waterboarding is benign. It is not dangerous to the detainee, and his medical condition is monitored for unforeseen problems. We are at war.

Shoot the lawyers!

55 posted on 09/18/2006 8:55:53 PM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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To: churchillbuff
We have to grow up and get down in the gutter with our enemies.


56 posted on 09/18/2006 8:56:40 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: oceanview

I think the MSM has convinced all the other Republican contenders that McCain is the one to beat and that's almost impossible.


57 posted on 09/18/2006 8:57:19 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
"What is torture?"

For at least one person around here it's the fact that President Bush is still President.

58 posted on 09/18/2006 8:57:57 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff
You have NO idea whatsoever, just WHAT we Americans did to any POWS during WW II, Korea, or Vietnam.

The people at Gitmo are NOT POWs; they wear no uniform. And FDR had such foreign combatants SHOT!

59 posted on 09/18/2006 8:58:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Enterprise

I don't care if Hillary wins. Or the devil himself. There is not ONE circumstance on Earth in which I'd vote for this worthless traitor named John McCain.


60 posted on 09/18/2006 8:58:28 PM PDT by Fledermaus (If the GOP keeps the Senate with a 53-54 majority can they give the Dems McCain?)
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