Bush to send interrogation compromise to Hill (Bush throwing the RINOs a life raft)

MSNBC ^ | 9/18/2006 | AP

[tobyhill]

WASHINGTON - The White House told lawmakers it would send Congress a revised proposal late Monday for dealing with terrorism suspects as the number of GOP senators publicly opposing President Bush's initial plan continued to grow.

A Republican-led Senate committee last week defied Bush and approved terror-detainee legislation that Bush vowed to block. Sen. John Warner, normally a Bush supporter, pushed the measure through his Senate Armed Services Committee by a 15-9 vote.

John Ullyot, a spokesman for Warner, said the Virginia senator expected to receive another draft of the legislation. No details were immediately available.

[tobyhill]

McCain, Graham, Warner and Collins looked like a bunch of village idiots this weekend with their explanations I guess President Bush is going to bail them out because they have an R by their names.

[tflabo]

If we get hit again these RINO's weasels should be made to pay BIGTIME. Down the dumpsters with these wobblies wussies.

[SubMareener]

I am not sure the John Warner is a idiot, although he did marry Elisabeth Taylor. He may be working with the President to deal with John (I crashed five planes before I was shot down.) McCain, and "Vice President" Lindsey Graham. I am not ready to tear up the Navy Commendation Medal citation he signed for me quite yet.

[tobyhill]

After this last weekend's performance by the Rino creatures the President won't have to compromise too much. McCain couldn't even explain how he wouldn't even support his own previous bill attached to this one.

[samtheman]

This all blows my mind. What the terrorist want to do is nuke a US city, as soon as they can possibly get their hands on a device. We might not be able to stop them no matter what we do, but to take these tools away from the CIA is the height of madness.

[Saint Louis]

We need a landslide to eliminate the compulsion for RINOs to oppose the President...

[tobyhill]

It blows my mind also with how easy the request by the President is. All the administration wants is congressional guidelines but the Congress, at least the RINOs, don't want to set guidelines because it takes away their subjective criticism.

[Enterprise]

As best as I can recall Rush's show today, this is what he was talking about regarding McCain. And I hope I got it right. McCain wants the Presidency in 2008. In order to get it, he is cynically manipulating the treatment of terrorists, so that we cannot effectively interrogate them. Later, when something drastic happens, McCain will come to the rescue and use the incident to gain the Presidency in 2008. That is what I thought Rush was saying, and frankly, if this is what McCain is doing, it is ghastly!

With this in mind, let me make a comparison to the "Wall." Many of us are still angry at what Gorelick did. She made it virtually impossible for Intelligence and Law Enforcement to talk to each other. Ultimately, thousands of lives were lost, and we entered into a war on terror. It seems that McCain is also setting up a "Wall." He, and other cynical RINOs want to make it extremely difficult for interrogators to get information from terrorists. This suggests a scenario in which our interrogators are blocked from doing their jobs effectively. It may happen that they may someday fail to get vital information because of the "Wall" that Mcain and other RINOs erected, and once again, many thousands of Americans will be killed or injured in a preventable terrorist attack. Am I hyperventilating here?

[churchillbuff]

All the administration wants is congressional guidelines """

No, the administration has written "guidelines" of its own. And they want Congress to ratify them. Why have we been able to function under the Geneva convention for more than 50 years without a need to "clarify" the supposedly "vague" provisions? Maybe we never did the kind of treatment of prisoners, before, that's happening now? I'm not sure that's progress.

[tobyhill]

You got it! I heard the show and believe Rush hit the nail on the head. I believe that McCain will try to run with Graham as VP and Powell in the cabinet but at the rate he's alienating the base he won't even get the nomination.

[neodad]

Maybe we never did the kind of treatment of prisoners, before, that's happening now? I'm not sure that's progress.

Because we are fighting stateless, unlawful combatants. Iraq I, Vietnam, Korea, WWII were all fought against nation states. That's the difference. Detainees in the WOT are not entitled to Geneva convention protections. Furthermore, it's not like the Geneva convention helped McPain avoid torture in Vietnam.

[Diddle E. Squat]

"Ego before country"

[roses of sharon]

Supreme Ct decision.

[MaxMax]

Considering that McCain may run as an independent
(as discussed on the Limbaugh show),
has anybody analyzed how this may effect
our chances in 08 for the presidency?

[tobyhill]

If terrorist are protected under the Geneva Convention as the USSC has ruled then in order to use interrogation methods that work will require clarification which only congress can put in law. The moral high ground won't win this war.

[churchillbuff]

. Detainees in the WOT are not entitled to Geneva convention protections. """

The Supreme Court ruled differently. And if we water down Geneva Convention, it will apply to detainees from states as well as stateless. A bad idea all round. I grew up on movies like "Stalag 17," which made a point of showing it was the Krauts who violated international accords on prisoners by, for example, keeping men standing long periods and interrogating them without giving them sleep. Billy Wilder (director of Stalag 17) seemed to think this verged on torture (that was the clear implication in the movie), but now has it become acceptable practice in the US military and CIA? That's not progress, in my opinion.

[tobyhill]

I've analyzed it and all I see is Clinton raising the right hand.

[oceanview]

yes, but what americans even see that? sure, we know it here - but the sheeple are clueless as to what this all means.

[churchillbuff]

We didn't need "clarifications" to treat Japanese prisoners, even though the Japs attacked us out of the blue and we feared they were planning sabotage on the West Coast. But then, our moral code was higher back then. That was before abortion and porn and gay rights (notice that two of those cultural depravities - porn and gayness - were part of the abu grab mistreatment; our military - the military of MacArthur, Washington, Grant and Jackson - now takes porno pictures of captives. Sick. Apparently we need "clarifications" in Geneva Convention to permit this without the perpetrators being prosecuted.

[churchillbuff]

the sheeple are clueless as to what this all means."""

In this case, the "sheeple" include Reagan's Secretary of State (Schultz), his Jt Chiefs Chairman (Vessey), his National Security Advisor (Powell), and a career JAG lawyer, (Sen. Graham). You may disagree with these people for not wanting the Geneva Convention watered down unilaterally, but you can't call them stupid, "sheeple," or leftists.