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Welcome to the criminalization of Christianity
WorldNetDaily ^ | September 15, 2006 | By Janet L. Folger

Posted on 09/18/2006 4:02:04 PM PDT by DaveyB

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To: oneamericanvoice

You don't have Freedom of Speech. I remember when Clinton instated the don't ask don't tell policy while I was stationed in Germany. Some of the soldiers simply couldn't resist and put signs up in protest. They were told they were not allowed to state their opinions and that if they didn't take the signs down they would get written up. How much further our commander would have taken it, I don't know but it was generally agreed by all we no longer had that right.

The right to bear arms. I know that it may seem weird but soldiers living in barracks have this right compromised. They are allowed to own a firearm but if they live in the barracks they must have it locked up in the armory and are not permitted to keep it in their rooms. This is not the same for someone who lives in housing. They are permitted to keep firearms in government housing.

Those are two instances that I can remember.


21 posted on 09/18/2006 5:15:40 PM PDT by kuma
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To: DaveyB
The man was court-martialed for going to a protest/press conference in uniform. This article is a crock of crap.
22 posted on 09/18/2006 5:18:22 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: 3IDVET

I don't know how long ago you were in, but as someone who got out of the army just 9 months ago I can only tell you one thing: Believe it!


23 posted on 09/18/2006 5:23:14 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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To: DaveyB

Read the book, The End Of Faith, if you can stomach it. It will frighten the heck out of you.


24 posted on 09/18/2006 5:24:48 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: TheCrusader
One billion people have risen up and called for his death, and not a single Western leader has come to his defense.

To be fair, German Chancellor Angela Merkel did come out in defense of the Pope. But that's it. My respect for her has gone up greatly, while my respect for other Western "leaders" has fallen even lower. Yes, I include Pres. Bush who has been completely silent on the whole matter.

25 posted on 09/18/2006 5:28:21 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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To: DaveyB
Exculpatory precedent?


26 posted on 09/18/2006 5:29:06 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: laweeks

FARROCKAWAY'S TAKE



Senate to Vote on 9/18/06
To Force Armed Services Chaplains
To Censor The Name of Jesus
From Any Prayer Offered Outside the Chapel

Go ballistic. Do it 9/17 and 9/18. By September 19th it will be too late. That’s all the time your government has given you.

Chaplain Lt. Gordon James Klingenschmitt has been convicted by a US Navy Court Martial of praying in the Name of Jesus just days ago. You read that right. A US Navy clergyman, an Episcopal Chaplain, was convicted for the crime of uttering a sectarian prayer (instead of the government-approved prayer) at a religious ceremony outside his allotted 1 hour on Sunday morning where it’s still legal to use the Name which is above Every Name: Jesus Christ.

Is this being done so fast that it’s bewildering to you? You bet it is. That’s the plan and don’t forget it.

The Navy claimed the Chaplain disobeyed a direct order. That order? To observe only non-sectarian prayers when praying anywhere except his allotted ‘sectarian’ worship service. The Navy has taken upon itself the authority to edit prayers. It ordered Klingenschmitt to conform or face court-martial. Full of the Honor of Jesus, Klingenschmitt chose the court-martial.

But even though this is the very first you’ve heard of this, you have precisely 24 hours to assimilate it, check into it, and then do something about it before it becomes written into law. Courteous of your government, huh?

The Senate is so pleased with this court-martial for praying in Jesus’ Name, they have decided to enshrine it in law all before you, the unsuspecting public, can act. Senator John Warner, Lindsay Graham, and Carl Levin, have a bill they are working on which would make it law for all the Armed Forces Chaplains to be forced to obey this new rule. They cloak it in such nice terms! How can anyone disagree? It sounds like this.

In situations other than theological services or sectarian ceremonies when a prayer is offered, the policy shall require chaplains to be sensitive to and respect the diversity of faiths represented.

Translation? If you use Jesus’ Name, the Navy can court-martial you, maybe wipe out your retirement benefits, fine you, at very least. That’s what this gun-barrel “language” just thrust at Chaplain Klingenschmitt is trying to do. They convicted him. Can you imagine? Convicted for praying in Jesus’ Name? He’s cleaning out his desk right now for daring to honor his Lord over the Navy, a Navy which has set itself up as God.

In a totally bizarre statement, while attempting to uphold Navy Secretary Donald C. Winter’s new rules, the Navy judge at the proceedings decided that it was permissible to punish Klingenschmitt for praying because “worshipping in public”, was not the same as, “public worship”. Navy rules permitted prayer in one, not in the other.

Oh. That makes sense. Right?

No, that is Alice-in-Wonderland, communist, double-speak. It is an insult, a slap in the face to the veterans of this great country who fought and lived, fought and died, so that our clergy would have the right to pray in Jesus’ Mighty and Glorious Name any God-blessed or any God-damned time they wanted to.

What did this guy actually do? Facts: He went and stood in uniform in front of the White House, at an event he had written permission from his CO to be at, uttered a prayer in Jesus’ Name, and said exactly nothing else to anybody. That’s it.

Reporters were there, he ignored them, didn’t say one word to them. That’s what the man did. That’s illegal behaviour for a United States Military Chaplain. Had he not used the name “Jesus”, making his prayer ‘sectarian’, he would not be court-martialed right now.

By-by retirement? By-by honorable record? Monthly fine? Letter of reprimand?

America’s historic enemies have always wanted and tried to censor prayers. The American soldier has always fought to protect the freedom of conscience of her Christian clergy. But get this: the Senate is planning to vote on this Tuesday, September 19th. Nice publicity they gave in order to solicit veterans’ reactions, huh? “Oh, yeah, we’re going to make it illegal to pray in Jesus’ Name tomorrow. We won’t put it quite like that of course. No need to put out a press release. It’s just some “language” in a bill somewhere. Just reinforcing what the Navy rules already are. Yeah, we’ve already enforced court-martial on this. No big deal.”

I’ll call this what it is.

Infamy.

Treason.

Call Senator John Warner and tell him, “The new language we are dictating to you, Senator, is as follows: Chaplains may pray according to their conscience and according to their specific faith whenever and however they see fit, whenever prayers are offered.”

Tell him if he doesn’t like it? He’s a traitor.

Ask for Warner: 888-355-3588

Ask for Bush: 202-456-1414

While there is still a little bit of America left to fight for, fight for it.


27 posted on 09/18/2006 6:43:34 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: frankiep

I retired from the Army in 1999, but I believe it..It's just so hard to believe..


28 posted on 09/18/2006 6:52:28 PM PDT by 3IDVET (Mess with the best, Die with the rest. Remember TF-RANGER Mogadishu, Somalia Oct 3 1993)
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To: DaveyB

So what is a clergyman/chaplain in a military unit supposed to do if he is forced by the military to cease praying?


29 posted on 09/18/2006 7:40:25 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: DaveyB; Just A Nobody; Dark Skies; USF; Fred Nerks
And now, five years after we were attacked, our troops are fighting overseas for the freedom of those who pray in the name of Allah at the same time a U.S. chaplain has been court-martialed for praying in the name of Jesus on American soil. Does anyone besides me see something wrong with this? On Monday, Sept. 11, 2006, we gathered to sing "God Bless America," but how likely do you think God will continue to bless us if we are forbidden from using His Son's name?

"But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 10:33

If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.
1 Peter 4:14

30 posted on 09/18/2006 7:41:52 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (The light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light;Jn3:19)
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To: DaveyB

Let's get the facts straight. The chaplain (I am a retired Army chaplain, by the way) was tried and convicted for wearing his uniform at a political rally after receiving a direct order from his commanding officer not to. The praying in Jesus name, which I am a strong believer in, is a smoke screen. Please, get the facts straight before declaring a Christian jihad on the Defense Department.


31 posted on 09/18/2006 9:51:41 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper
A Commander of higher rank was quoted as saying "...I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting..." 1Tim 2:8
32 posted on 09/18/2006 10:12:32 PM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: Nightshift

ping


33 posted on 09/19/2006 5:12:05 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: oneamericanvoice
I served and there isn't one right that I feel was compromised. So, please explain

I did 45 in a thirty and didn't get pulled over so there must not be a speed limit...

The UCMJ is structured such that one voluntarily gives up many civilian rights when the oath is taken. For example, how often does the military have trial by a jury of one's peers? It doesn't. There is NJP and courts martial. Ever hear of charges being dropped because a suspect wasn't read their Miranda rights? That's because they do not apply, at least not in the same way.

34 posted on 09/19/2006 5:28:37 AM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: DaveyB

But He also said that we are to be subject to the governing authorities. If the governing authorities order me to not attend political rallies in uniform, I am obligated to follow that order. The chaplain did not comply with that order. Again, this has nothing to do with the format of his prayer.


35 posted on 09/19/2006 9:18:34 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: jan in Colorado

The chaplain was NOT court martialed for praying in Jesus name! Why can't people get the facts staight?


36 posted on 09/19/2006 9:20:02 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper
I just quoted directly from the article...

Are you saying that chaplains are NOT prohibited from praying in Jesus name?

If so, that is GREAT news!

37 posted on 09/19/2006 9:41:18 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (The light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light;Jn3:19)
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To: jan in Colorado

They are not, and never have been. Having said that, at gatherings that are more "civil" in nature, like a change of command ceremony invocation, or a holiday ceremony, chaplains are asked to respect the fact that there will be people of all stripes, and we were asked to be sensitive to that...and on those rare ocassions. we might pray something like, "in the Father's name" or "in Your holy name" - but in religious services, whether in garrison or in the field (or on board ship) we are free to do as our conscience dictates.


38 posted on 09/19/2006 3:13:34 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: MoreLove

The same as any other Freedom. You practice it without infringing upon any other person's rights. A Christian can be a Christian whenever they choose but they cannot force say for instance a Jew to practice Christianity nor prohibit them from practicing Judaism. I would say you can practice wherever but as long as you don't violate private property rights. All Rights are respectful of one another.

Other than that the government is not to make any laws concerning religion. It seems like a pretty straight-forward thing but with all the PC these days you really do have to think about exactly what "infringe" means.


40 posted on 09/25/2006 7:53:17 PM PDT by kuma
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