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I DO NOT INTEND TO CAUSE ANGER, BUT...

Posted on 09/18/2006 5:03:05 AM PDT by 7thson

I want to say first off that I do not mean to be critical or hurtful of Christianity or the Bible. My remarks in no way are meant to be derogatory to any Christian religion. So please, if you take offense, I do not mean to cause offense.

Reading some of the posts concerning the Pope's statemetn of last week got me thinking of Islam in general. How many Freepers have read the Bible - Old and New Testament? Has it struck you how the Muslims are acting now is basically how the Jews and others acted in the Bible from thousands of years ago. Take Jesus and the way he was handed over to the Romans. The pulling of the beard, striking him in the face, spiting on him, hitting him when he is tied up and blind-folded. How Saul was hell bent on killing Christians until he had his Road to Damascus moment. Over the next 2000 years, Christianity has stumbled along but basically tries to do right. IMO, I think Islam cannot follow the same path because the message preached is not one of love and forgiveness but of hate, murder, and forced conversion. I suppose I have nothing really new to say or to add what others here have been saying. Will there ever come a time when people have enough of Islam?


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1 posted on 09/18/2006 5:03:06 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

Your confusing Judaism and Christianity.


2 posted on 09/18/2006 5:05:55 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: 7thson

Islam can't follow the same path because it's a Satanic death cult, not a religion.


3 posted on 09/18/2006 5:06:22 AM PDT by angkor
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To: 7thson
IMO, I think Islam cannot follow the same path because the message preached is not one of love and forgiveness but of hate, murder, and forced conversion.

Uh... it can't follow the same path, because it isn't Christianity.

4 posted on 09/18/2006 5:06:43 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: 7thson
I suppose I have nothing really new to say or to add what others here have been saying.

You got it in one!

5 posted on 09/18/2006 5:07:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: 7thson
People throughout the ages have acted murderously in the name if virtually all religions and their gods.

Fundamentally though, there are differences in theology between Islam and Christianity that are quite clear.

One of the clearest is that Christianity clearly does NOT call for trying to 'convert' anyone by force, else death. Not that the RCC did not try that same line of 'reasoning' just a few centuries ago.

Sadly, humans can truly corrupt God's word.

Just remember what Jesus said were the two most important commands: love God, love your neighbor as yourself. Compare that to Islam perhaps ...
6 posted on 09/18/2006 5:08:10 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: 7thson
I want to say first off that I do not mean to be critical or hurtful of Christianity

On the contrary...your conclusion about Christianity is that it has tried to do it right.

I don't see your remarks as critical of Christianity.

7 posted on 09/18/2006 5:10:07 AM PDT by what's up
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The blood and mayhem of the Old Testament was not based on general orders from G-D but were limited by time and place and targets. It did not pertain after the Israelite conquest and occupation of the Holy Land. You cannot liken that to the Jihad of the Mohammedans which is limited only to the Human population of the world. The Christian command to go and spread Christianity was specifically to be accomplished by peaceful means of persuasion. Spread the Good News and all that. Neither Christians nor Jews are commanded to convert or kill all others. There is no comparison.


8 posted on 09/18/2006 5:12:37 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: DainBramage

Please explain. I was attempting to compare actions from the Bible to actions used today.


9 posted on 09/18/2006 5:14:46 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson

Mel, is that you?


10 posted on 09/18/2006 5:16:03 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Neither is Hindu or Buhda, but you do not see them killing nuns, burn down Christian churches, flying planes into buildings, etc.


11 posted on 09/18/2006 5:16:07 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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I don't remember anything in either Testament dealing with locking young girls in a burning building, refusing to let them out because they didn't have head to toe coverings on, and watching them burn to death...Saudi Arabia.

Or, gangraping a Masters Degree candidate because she had too much education...Pakistan.

Or, why go on? There is no comparison. They may be acting as tribal, totem, pagan, taboo believers, but it isn't in the same context as Judeo-Christian history.

Islam is just plain evil disguised as a religion. It is the reverse mirror image of Christianity. It does not turn the heart or will. It merely turns reason into a fixed set of incompatible beliefs that become unreasoning, unthinking reflexes. A man cannot look at a woman because it causes sexual arousal. Notice the man's attitude, heart, and mind are not engaged. Just the genitals and the evil that women cause.


12 posted on 09/18/2006 5:17:09 AM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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Will there ever come a time when people have enough of Islam?

I hit that point about 5 years ago.

13 posted on 09/18/2006 5:18:05 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (1 year guarantee against congenital defects.)
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To: Blueflag
"One of the clearest is that Christianity clearly does NOT call for trying to 'convert' anyone by force, else death. Not that the RCC did not try that same line of 'reasoning' just a few centuries ago."

Good point - history records that millions of innocents have been killed under orders from the popes. But it was the men who were evil not the religion nor it's Messiah.

shalom

14 posted on 09/18/2006 5:19:54 AM PDT by patriot_wes (Infant baptism - the foundation of an unbelieving and unsaved church.....)
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To: 7thson

There is no inherent evil in Christianity as set forth in the New Testament, flowing from the words and character of Jesus. However, there have been those who call themselves Christians who have practiced evil "in God's name." In contrast, the Muslim faith seems inherently evil...demanding the death of infidels on the pages of its "holy" book. I don't see how anything good can flow from that. It is stuck in medieval times w/all of its barbarism and ignorance.


15 posted on 09/18/2006 5:20:25 AM PDT by Ganymede
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Hello? We live in the 21st century and what the savages are doing is NOT acceptable as it was then.
16 posted on 09/18/2006 5:20:29 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: arthurus

Your last statement is what I agree with. It is evidently plain to see. I can understand the media not wanting to promote that message. I can understand why politicians are loathe to promote that message. I cannot understand why men of faith are loathe to promote that message. I have been of the belief for some time that our WOT cannot be won if we do nothing to replace their ideology. Are we promoting Christianity in Irag and Afghanistan?


17 posted on 09/18/2006 5:21:22 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

*snicker*


18 posted on 09/18/2006 5:21:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: 7thson
In neither Judaism or Christianity are individuals authorized to act as freelance judges and executioners on God's behalf.

That is the principle difference between those faiths and Islam.

19 posted on 09/18/2006 5:24:27 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Are you trying to say I am anti-Jew? That is laughable. I used the Jews because they were Jews back then. I do not think God was attempting to subplant Judaism but was trying to push the Jews back onto the path he wanted them to follow. My incomplete thought was that the Jews back in Jesus time acted in the same manner as the Muslims are today. Yet, over the centuries, the Jews ceased acting like that. Though they are not Christians, why have they exceled over the centuries and Islam has not? I believe it goes back to what another poster stated - Judaism does not call for forceful conversion.


20 posted on 09/18/2006 5:26:12 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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