"Oy Vey! What a bunch of schmucks..."
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Posted on 09/17/2006 3:44:40 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday he was "deeply sorry" about the angry reaction sparked by his speech about Islam and holy war and said the text did not reflect his personal opinion.
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If the Pope caves.....what will his followers do? Submit their throats?
Let me see if I have this right...Pope quaotes 300 yr old statement claiming Islam is evil and violent...in response, to prove he is wrong, Muslims destroy property and threaten to kill people...
Hmmmmm....
Though I didn't read the article, it sounds like he was "deeply sorry" for their reactions - not for what he said. Quite different!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Pretty dam sad. He told the truth and now he apologizes for it?
Listen, folks, I'd be perfectly happy to have an neighbor who was Islamic. If they respected my choice to find whatever God there might be in my own way.
But they have proved OVER AND OVER that is not what they want. They want me to be like them or they WILL KILL ME.
They do not believe in diversity or republicanism or jury trials or the rights of the accused or ANY OTHER OF THE WESTERN TRADITIONS.
THEY ARE NOT HERE TO FIT IN THEY ARE HERE TO CONQUER US!
So we can either do something about it now (and my personal belief is to deport all muslims, we don't have to kill a single one, if we send them all back to Turdistan they will kill each other promptly), because if we wait, IT WILL BE MUCH, MUCH WORSE.
What was his personal thought then? From the address in Regensburg:
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.
At this point, as far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we are faced with an unavoidable dilemma. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true?
...The courage to engage the whole breadth of reason, and not the denial of its grandeur - this is the programme with which a theology grounded in Biblical faith enters into the debates of our time. "Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos, is contrary to the nature of God", said Manuel II, according to his Christian understanding of God, in response to his Persian interlocutor. It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures. To rediscover it constantly is the great task of the university.
"Oy Vey! What a bunch of schmucks..."
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
And when a car bomb goes off in St. Peters Square...I wonder if he'll move the Vatican to the States?
Muslims do need to be told the truth about the history of their religion.
So, the Pope is definitely against the forced conversions you mentioned.
I'm sorry you're seething murderous psychotic animals who are so easily enraged. My remarks? They are what they are.
All this "if he caves" talk says more about what the people who voice that sentiment would do, should they find themselves in that position, than it does about what a man who bears a lifelong testimony of integrity would do.
Everybody remember when we had the discussion about the two Fox journalists converting to Islam in order to be released? I for one will never convert, read the Bible and see what it says about deceivers. They can chop off my head. But they will have to get past my guns first!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Muslims seem to have a difficult time coping with the sort of mild criticism one attracts in the world when one murders, gang rapes, blows up, kidnaps and generally disturbs the tranquility of others. Perhaps if they have difficulty living in this world, we should make it our business to usher them into the next.
Being a bit familiar with the history of the church and Luther I am inclined to say that often there is to much attention paid to the details of a specific orthodoxy. How many Angels can fit on the head of a pin sort of thing.
No one can deny the corruption of the church and the reasons for the reformation, and no one can deny that the reformation itself took a few serious, unfortunate and bloody turns.
But when we crystallize it down, the Christian ethic is to prompt (not force) a person to see the mysteries, learn about himself through the power of forgiveness, and find the salvation that God grants him.
It is not something forced on him. No, never is he threatened. Free will is one of the basic ideals of all true religions. And yes, feel free to read between the lines.
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