Posted on 09/16/2006 4:04:09 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher
Edited on 09/16/2006 4:13:11 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
No, that's not "genuine pain". The nun in Somalia who was shot in the back by Muslim thugs suffered "genuine pain".
This is my first post ever...
As long as we're all feeling hurt for the Muslims because of the insensitive remarks from the Pope, maybe we should revisit those inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock. I'm offended that they specifically deny the divinity of Jesus. They say he "was just another prophet." I want a public apology from all Muslims for the words carved into their "third most holy site." (Or at least, I want to see something on fire, or something like that...I'd settle for any personal property being destroyed.)
Welcome to FR!
Islam against oppression and violence at all its shapes and levels,
you are only has the right to get violent when you are defending yourself against attacks.
The teaching of Islam are tolerant that is why it's compatible with the different eras that because it's easy going religion against extremism (quote the prophet Mohamed "The religion is ease not hardness"),
At the Islamic conquerors the last thing that the Prophet Mohamed said to the troops is "Don't harm any child, women, old men, Don't cut down a tree, Don't pollute any water, Church is not to be harmed",
He always though that people should be Muslims when they are convinced, not of fear (quote the Qur'an {the holy Islamic text} "There is no compulsion in religion".).
the Islam salute is "Peace on you" because that is the Islamic religion,
it's all about peace, it starts with the inner peace to the global peace.
In Qur'an, It is mentioned 300 times in many occasions that we should think and use our mind and wisdom is the true quality of real Muslims.
Example : this is a translation of line in Qur'an
"He has made for you the Night and the Day; the Sun and the Moon; and the Stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who can think"
"Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (to practise it) yourselves. And yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?"
"God send the holy book with guidance, can't you think?"
"Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy."
the last one encourage us to think carefully in what the qur'an says and make sense of it
All of this and the Pope says "But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality."
the Pope made his remarks on what ??
it's clear that he has no idea what he is taking about (I'm assuming good intentions).
the problem is that these words came from the Pope, not a regular ignorant person. He is the Pope for God sake, He should know better than that.
frankly, his word (even they are wrong ideas about Islam) has great impact on the Christian community,
It's like "Islam is evil and go kill all Muslims to have world peace", that is the reason for the anger,
his words meant (even if he really didn't mean this) that "Islam and Muslims are our enemy".
Pope Benedict probably should self-criticise Christianity's violent past before commenting on the other faith
For many eras, a lot of blood war crimes were committed under the cross flag or by Christians, Muslims didn't say the Christianity or the Christ is this or that because we know that the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an are all from God contain no harm and no violence.
some people can't contain their anger.
I'm personally against violence.
The Arabic word jihad has been narrowly interpreted in the non-Muslim west as "holy war," reducing it to the sole dimension of physical violence.
In fact jihad also means effort, or struggle, along the path toward God, and Muslims have many and varied ways of interpreting it.
Jihad is not violence, it means the self conflict to do good in life, it's when you keep yourself away from sins no matter the temptation, when you go seeking knowledge and learning, that is the true meaning of the Jihad and you get rewarded for that.
you don't get rewarded for killing innocent people, in fact you get maximum punishment (hell for eternity) no matter the victim religious beliefs.
it's said in Qur'an "who kills any innocent soul is as killing all the humans"
the Pope made his remarks on what ??
it's clear that he has no idea what he is taking about (I'm assuming good intentions).
I beg to differ with you. The Pope chooses his words very carefully and is a very erudite and learned scholar.
The sentences you have highlighted are from the paragraph below. When looking at the entire paragraph one can see that the Pope is speaking about a book edited by Professor Theodore Khoury. Prof. Khoury quotes the work of a noted Islamist who goes even further to say "that God is not bound even by his own word."
"The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry."
Perhaps you should read Benedict's entire lecture before you criticize it.
It's like "Islam is evil and go kill all Muslims to have world peace", that is the reason for the anger, his words meant (even if he really didn't mean this) that "Islam and Muslims are our enemy".
If you read his actual words you will see that he said no such thing. What has primarily caused the uproar in the Islamic world is that parts of his lecture were taken out of context and distorted to arouse anger. The mainstream media do not like the Catholic Church and saw an opportunity to attack the Pope and stir up anger against him (even if it was done dishonestly).
In fact, if you read his lecture you will see that it is not about Islam. The title he gave to his lecture is "Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and Reflections." He warns against focusing on reason to the exclusion of faith as well as focusing on faith to the exclusion of reason. A balance is required for a beneficial existence in our life on earth.
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