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How Many Divisions Does The NY Times Have? Grey Lady Demands Apology From Pope
New York Times/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 09/16/2006 3:56:54 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: livius

Concise explanation of the cancer known as Muhammadanism


181 posted on 09/16/2006 8:10:52 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: zook
I'm not a Catholic, but over the past few days I've gained a whole lot of respect for his holiness.

I'm glad to hear that. He is the right man at the right time. Just as JPII was in the face of Communism.

182 posted on 09/16/2006 8:12:36 AM PDT by Barnacle (America, America God shed His grace on thee.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The Democrats always insist on getting "admissions" and "apologies", etc., as if those things have any meaning or would accomplish something. If the New York Times and the Democrats ever did get their "admissions" and "apologies", what would that mean, exactly? What would be accomplished? Would "admissions" and "apologies" change anything? Anything at all?

(The sick, irrational, liberal mind - - what's with it? Chemical imbalance maybe? I wonder if someday some clever psychiatrist will be able to explain it to normal humans.)


183 posted on 09/16/2006 8:13:36 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

NYT: Holy Writ of the Church of Liberalism


184 posted on 09/16/2006 8:23:17 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
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To: narses

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1702188/posts

Ping to this analysis....


185 posted on 09/16/2006 8:23:27 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Several things bother me about this Times editorial demanding an apology from the Pope.

1. The usual problem with such editorials. The editors of the Times seem to think it is their right to lay down the law to the whole world, and the world ought to jump to obey them. You could call this the typical hubris, or chutzpa, of the Old Gray Lady.

2. Once again they reveal themselves as more sympathetic to Muslim extremists than to the West, and once again they reveal their rabid hatred of Christianity and especially of Catholicism.

But the worst sin committed by this editorial hasn't yet been mentioned on this thread, I don't think.

3. They are at the business of stirring up hatred against the West in the Muslim world, much like Newsweak and their lies about Koran flushing.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET KILLED OVER THIS, ANCIENT CHURCHES ARE GOING TO BE BURNT, ARAB MOBS ARE GOING TO BE RAMPAGING THROUGH THE STREETS MURDERING PEOPLE, and the persons responsible for stirring up this hatred against the Pope are Pinch Sulzberger and Bill Keller.

Sure, the fanatics will rampage whatever the Times says, but it's not their job to try to stir up further hatred for their own political purposes. Their job is to tell the truth and to calm hatreds, even if their efforts will probably be ineffectual. At least they could TRY to be on the right side, the side of civilization against terror and murder.


186 posted on 09/16/2006 8:45:54 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: saveliberty

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!


187 posted on 09/16/2006 9:19:26 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: defconw

You said exactly what I felt but couldn't articulate.

Thanks for your clarity of thought!


188 posted on 09/16/2006 9:22:54 AM PDT by mckenzie7
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To: mckenzie7

No problem. Glad someone gets it. :)


189 posted on 09/16/2006 9:24:03 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I would like to say to the NYtraitors, that they have no moral authority in this and to just go ahead and file for formal bankrupt because you are, morally and fiscally.


190 posted on 09/16/2006 9:26:44 AM PDT by tiki
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To: NYer

It seems that some educated moslems of the 14-15th centuries were more civilized than their counterparts of the 21st century. They engaged in dialogue. Some others engaged in 'holy wars'. Lines were neatly drawn.
Now we do not see any moslem cleric, sunni and shi'a, trying to engage dialogue. We see all of them crying sacrilege and calling for more violence or for a humiliating apology, while at the same time trying to invade Europe demographically, and the 'New World' is on their waiting list. They are creating a complex and interlaced situation, both on the ground and on the intellectual level where they find some support inside the western world. What a difference from 600 years ago.


191 posted on 09/16/2006 9:37:18 AM PDT by Patrick_k
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To: Dave S

You wrote:

"OK I will bite. Why was he quoting the old German guy if he didnt agree?"

Did I not just quote you? Does that mean we agree? And he didn't quote an old German guy. He quoted a Byzantine emperor. He was Greek and not German.

I think you have bitten off more than you know what to do with.

"And given that the guy had been dead for many hundreds of years, what caused it to just mysteriously pop out of his mouth."

Nothing mysterious about it. He just read a book in which the quote appeared. You really haven't been following this story have you?

"Did God make him say it? For a man of peace, I find it difficult that the pope didnt know he was throwing gasoline on a burning fire."

I don't. All he did was quote someone. He never said the quote was true. He also never said it was untrue. He merely quoted it as an example. He assumed, incorrectly, that people wouldn't make fools of themselves over this quote because he was NOT using it to attack anyone, but only as an illustration of part of his discussion. He forgot, or has yet to learn, that Muslims are wackos and don't care about context.

"Hell why didnt he just call for a fourth crusade to rid the Holy Land of non-believers?"

Because there already was a Fourth Crusade (around A.D. 1200). There were seven or eight crusades in fact.

I think you should stick to snacks you don't have to chew.


192 posted on 09/16/2006 9:58:07 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Northern Yankee

"W" should toss the NYT in the clink for putting Catholics in danger of losing their lives at the hands of "newsie" inspired mobs of ignorant Moslems.


193 posted on 09/16/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Bump for later reading...


194 posted on 09/16/2006 10:01:11 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("By the time I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish you felt this good again" - Jack Bauer)
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To: don-o

"And Satan is running rampant over the earth these days."


Let those with eyes see. It has been apparent for a while now for those paying attention.


195 posted on 09/16/2006 10:03:30 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Barnacle
----"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." - Blaise Pascal

"And, what fills the void in religion's absence?"-------


- reason, and if you require it- faith.

Religion on the other hand is divisive at best and destructive at worst. How many wars and how much persecution has religion fathered? Look around the world today... Jews v Muslims v Christians, protestants vs catholics, Sunnis vs Shiites.

I personally worry far less about a heathen Korean lunatic or even a godless China than about religious fanatics of any religious persuasion.
196 posted on 09/16/2006 10:08:52 AM PDT by US admirer
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To: US admirer
Religion on the other hand is divisive at best and destructive at worst. How many wars and how much persecution has religion fathered? Look around the world today... Jews v Muslims v Christians, protestants vs catholics, Sunnis vs Shiites.

I personally worry far less about a heathen Korean lunatic or even a godless China than about religious fanatics of any religious persuasion.

I consider your perspective slanted and naive. It totally ignores the historical fact that people form civilizations and in those civilizations are institutions including religions. What you said above could just as easily be said of governments and patriotism. It fits nicely with the Leftist philosophy permeating our media today. In any case, it is diametrically opposite of Conservative philosophy that this website, the Free Republic represents.

By the way. You wouldn't happen to be a Libertarian, would you?

197 posted on 09/16/2006 10:53:23 AM PDT by Barnacle (America, America God shed His grace on thee.)
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To: defconw

:-) Yay!


198 posted on 09/16/2006 10:54:19 AM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: US admirer
;-) The humor to La Divina Comedia is partly that Dante placed whoever annoyed him further down in the lower circles of Hell. IIRC, he had an issue with the Pope at that time and thus placed him in the ninth circle and embedded him in ice (which of course could have been worse, considering that the author has artistic control).
199 posted on 09/16/2006 11:03:54 AM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: Barnacle
Conservatism and religiosity are not synonymous. Many great conservatives have been either agnostics or atheists. Therefore perhaps you could explain to me how these views are "diametrically opposite of (the) Conservative philosophy of Free Republic".

And by the way, I don't deny that fanatical patriotism or secular governments have produced violence and death. That does not however repudiate the validity of the claim that religion has been one of the most important causes of war and death and persecution since it was invented.

Finally, in principle, I would say that libertarian ideals are closest to my philosophy.

200 posted on 09/16/2006 11:32:46 AM PDT by US admirer
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