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Tribes:Using reclaimed water at ski resort sullies their religion
KVOA-Tucson | 15 SEPT 2006 | DAVID KRAVETS

Posted on 09/15/2006 5:29:48 AM PDT by radar101

Attorneys for Southwestern Indian tribes have urged a federal appeals court to block the proposed expansion of an Arizona ski resort they say already desecrates land they hold sacred and sullies their religious beliefs.

During Thursday's hearing, a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals appeared skeptical about allowing Arizona Snowbowl to become the nation's first ski resort to use 100 percent reclaimed water _ treated sewage _ to make snow.

Hopi attorney Scott Canty said it is up to the deities, not man, to make snow.

"To usurp their authority is a crime, an insult," he said. "It desecrates the entire mountain that the Hopi believe is a living entity."

The tribes say Snowbowl is an affront to their religion and its existence may have caused the Sept. 11 attacks and other universal calamities. The resort, one of two in the state, might go out of business because of a lack of snowfall.

The 777-acre resort rests on the western flank of the San Francisco Peaks that have spiritual and religious meaning to 13 tribes in the Southwest.

The resort wants to add a fifth lift, spray man-made snow and tear down and groom about 100 acres of forest to attract more skiers and increase the number of skiing days. U.S. District Judge Paul Rosenblatt of Phoenix ruled in January the tribes "failed to present any objective evidence that their exercise of religion will be impacted by the Snowbowl upgrades." The tribes appealed.

Janice Schneider, a lawyer for the resort, told the court there would be 82 signs warning skiers the snow is generated from "reclaimed water."

But judges appeared concerned about the snow, particularly because they had no studies showing how it would affect skiers. Judge William Fletcher wondered whether skiers would understand "that reclaimed water is treated sewage" and also wondered how much snow a skier might ingest during a "faceplant."

Jack Trope, a Hualapai attorney, said the man-made snow also could melt into a nearby spring the tribe uses for healing ceremonies. Once it touches the spring, he said, using those waters is akin to "committing spiritual malpractice."

Outside the hearing, dozens of American Indians, some wearing traditional garb, burned sage, drummed, chanted and held signs that read "Save the Peaks." Inside, the courtroom was filled to capacity, mostly with Indians, many of whom had traveled from Arizona to attend the hearing.

"Their plans to make snow, if allowed, would be cultural genocide," said Kelvin Long, a Navajo who lives in Flagstaff, Ariz.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: pc; sacred

1 posted on 09/15/2006 5:29:48 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

Man made snow is an insult anywhere it's applied.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 5:32:06 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: radar101

Might be an interesting selling point. Snowbowl, the ski resort with your choice of yellow or brown ski trails. Coordinate with your wardrobe.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 5:44:03 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb

For a tribe to get touchy about their sacred lands when every other acre they own has a casino on it seems odd at best.


4 posted on 09/15/2006 5:48:23 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: radar101

All water is "re-claimed" waste water. Every drop of water on the earth today has been recycled over and over again.


5 posted on 09/15/2006 5:55:02 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: radar101
Hopi attorney Scott Canty said it is up to the deities, not man, to make snow.gambling casinos.
6 posted on 09/15/2006 5:58:54 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: tlb

Just remember--"Don't eat the yellow snow."


7 posted on 09/15/2006 6:08:56 AM PDT by Comstock1 (If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.)
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To: radar101
Hopi attorney Scott Canty said it is up to the deities, not man, to make snow. "To usurp their authority is a crime, an insult..."

Strange... a claim of desecration that actually makes a kind of sense...
8 posted on 09/15/2006 6:11:11 AM PDT by xenophiles
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To: Incorrigible

Actually, snowmaking technology has improved dramatically over the years. Even if it's not like fresh powder, at least it provides the base that nature no longer does.


9 posted on 09/15/2006 6:24:29 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: radar101
This coming from a culture that like to stay high, beat and rape their women and children, practice cannibalism and contribute zero to the work force. Yeah sure!
10 posted on 09/15/2006 6:38:15 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: Recon Dad

This sounds almost like one of Jesse Jackson's shake down schemes. Perhaps a little money would salve their hurt?

Casinos okay snow is bad, give me some money and snow is good!


11 posted on 09/15/2006 6:56:12 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: Recon Dad
The sacred deity likes Black Jack...
12 posted on 09/15/2006 7:19:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: radar101
Hopi attorney Scott Canty said it is up to the deities, not man, to make snow. "To usurp their authority is a crime, an insult..."

The DC municipal government has similar religious beliefs -- they take the position that God put the snow on the streets, and, in His own time, God will remove it.

13 posted on 09/15/2006 7:23:07 AM PDT by steve-b (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.)
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To: radar101
This is the site of the tallest mountain in Arizona, Humphreys Peak. Very pretty, not deserty at all. On a clear day, from the top, you can see the Grand Canyon 80 miles away. I will attempt to climb it in early October with my friend, but the real event is when we camp near the base before the climb: Shootin' up the forest with our guns, getting drunk, and celebrating great Chief Smokes-A-lot by burning the wacky weed in his honor.

So take that, you heathen indians!

14 posted on 09/15/2006 8:08:32 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=- ("We will crush your heads!" - Saddam Hussein, in a moment of court room levity.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
Also, the second-highest peak, directly above the Ski Bowl (Agassiz Peak) has been deemed off limits to hikers due to pressure from the indians. It's a "holy/sacred site". Stiff fines for anyone caught there.

How public land can be off limits to the public is beyond me. It's crazy.

15 posted on 09/15/2006 8:18:28 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=- ("We will crush your heads!" - Saddam Hussein, in a moment of court room levity.)
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To: radar101
Hopi attorney Scott Canty said it is up to the deities, not man, to make snow.

"If God had wanted daylight savings time, He would have made daylight savings time." (An argument against DST used in a southern state.)
Apparently Hopi attornies and some redneck state legislators have a lot in common.

16 posted on 09/15/2006 8:18:58 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a lot of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: radar101
Judge William Fletcher wondered whether skiers would understand "that reclaimed water is treated sewage" and also wondered how much snow a skier might ingest during a "faceplant."

They may ingest some snow, but that is about all. Most EPA and water utility restrictions/rules require Zero fecal matter in treated water. In fact, in many cases, they require a lot of contaminants that may have been in the original water be removed.

17 posted on 09/15/2006 8:25:27 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a lot of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: radar101

They can eat reclaimed food for all I care.


18 posted on 09/15/2006 2:29:26 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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