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To: BW2221

The question is why do those on this board (not all but some) hate American Auto manufacturing and delight when people lose their jobs. Frankly it's sickening. I want Ford to succeed.


7 posted on 09/15/2006 5:23:17 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse

Companies exist for the benefit of their stockholders NOT their employees. That is Capitalism. Whatever Ford does to protect their stockholders is all I care about.


11 posted on 09/15/2006 5:27:05 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: nyconse
The question is why do those on this board (not all but some) hate American Auto manufacturing and delight when people lose their jobs.

Just try to defend domestic vehicle quality around here and you will hear plenty of anectodal evidence, but very little substance.

Ford has brought much of its pain upon itself. It has been too closely tied with its unions. Management has been derelict in its duty to keep the company innovations coming.

I said last year, when the media was writing GM's epithet that it would be Ford in the most trouble. It may require a takeover to straighten them out, especially when Daimler-Chrysler overtakes them in market share.

14 posted on 09/15/2006 5:31:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: nyconse
The question is why do those on this board (not all but some) hate American Auto manufacturing

Uuuuhhhh....can you say "LABOR UNIONS" sucking out all the competitive blood out of the American auto industry? Hate American auto manufacturing? I think its more like wishing the american auto industry can get up to the 21st century and get rid of the prima donnas assembling all the cars.

I toured the Ford Rouge facility and was shocked to see the auto workers standing around with I-Pods in their ears and gabbing to their friends much of the time....and they're probably pulling down about $100,000 a year. They need to get a job like the rest of us in America they are an embarrassment to the rest of the working class.

15 posted on 09/15/2006 5:33:43 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: nyconse
The question is why do those on this board (not all but some) hate American Auto manufacturing and delight when people lose their jobs. Frankly it's sickening. I want Ford to succeed.

I agree. I live in the former manufacturing powerhouse known as the I-94 corridor in southern michigan. We used to be the home of secondary automotive industries that went overseas. They weren't union or high paying jobs, they mostly paid enough to raise a family on but little else. Today it's all low paying retail jobs or welfare here.
18 posted on 09/15/2006 5:38:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: nyconse
I want Ford to succeed even more than you because I live in Detroit and do work with automotive manufacturers, primarily the "Big Three," but also some Asians.

Of the "Big Three," Ford is by far in the worst shape. Cutting costs is only part of the problem. They need to start designing products (particularly cars) that people want to buy, stop losing market share and completely rebuild morale of both employees and its dealer body.

GM looks like they are starting to turn the corner. GM has introduced a number of new models and its new full-size pickups have received rave reviews. Chrysler Group has major inventory problems, but has lots of new models it's about to launch. Then, there's Ford.

A lot of people question the wisdom of paying top-dollar for a new CEO with no automotive experience. Typically outsiders named to high positions in the auto industry fail.

Unfortunately, with all Ford's problems, I'm not sure any competitor would want to merge with them.
20 posted on 09/15/2006 5:47:21 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: nyconse

"The question is why do those on this board (not all but some) hate American Auto manufacturing and delight when people lose their jobs. Frankly it's sickening."

It is sickening. There are a few groups who cheer the loss of American jobs:
1 - Extreme capitalists. They view the world from the standpoint of "pure capitalism", (I'm not sure that exists). They have a very narrow view, a view that will one day bite them. They worry only about profits this quarter, and are the folks who are behind our current problems with corporations not innovating because R&D takes from quarterly profits. These folks aren't Americans first, they're capitalists first and foremost. They cling to the flag when they need Americans to die for their corporate interests.
2 - Business owners who have had employee troubles, (most business owners). These folks are disgusted by the unions. They don't care that the companies agreed to these deals, they just hate unions. So, anything that hurts a union, is good, in their eyes. Even if it requires one of the biggest American companies going down the tubes. If it hurts a union, it's good.
3 - Jealous people. Not all conservatives are wealthy. There are many who make less than union workers, and work harder. So, they too, hate unions. They delight in seeing the "prima donnas" get taken down.

What all of these "patriots" purposely ignore is that their countrymen are being put out of jobs. Also, that job losses at a manufacturer such as Ford are cascading, and that jobs will be lost at connected businesses. This will result in Americans losing many jobs, thus going on unemployment. This is all free, our taxes will not go up right? I know, not federal, they'll let the states do it. That way, the "conservatives" in states that aren't impacted won't see economic damage right away, and will continue to cheer. Also, these people who lose their jobs buy things. A lot of businesses will lose customer base. Our capitalist friends will scream then, because quaterly profits will be impacted.
Finally, republicans control the government, both houses, and the executive. Not all factory workers vote with the union, I know this for a fact. Not all will vote democrat because of losing their jobs, but more will. And it won't be restricted to the 70k laid off. It will be workers in related businesses, family and friends who will want to punish those in power.

Yeah, listen to them cheer, for now.


30 posted on 09/15/2006 6:30:29 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: nyconse

"I want Ford to succeed"

Then let Ford do a warranty program like GM has just put out. I figure that will either save GM(by putting consumer confidence into American autos) or will flush them down the toilet if the product does not hold up in reality.


80 posted on 09/16/2006 5:37:45 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: nyconse
why do those on this board (not all but some) hate American Auto manufacturing?

People on this board hate recognize the UAW and its advocacy of socialist Amerika.
People on this board hate recognize the extent of union interference in American Politics that attempts to sway elections towards liberalism.
People on this board hate recognize the brute tactics used by union members to force people into unions.
People on this board hate recognize the socialist agenda of Bill Ford and his willingness to utililize share-holder assests to further his political agenda (including homosexual advocacy).

99 posted on 09/16/2006 7:03:00 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: nyconse
I want Ford to succeed.

Me too, but it's going to take more than the Mustang, F-150, and a couple of other models to do so.

There are several bland Ford models out there that simply can't sell. My Escape is a good example - decent car, with respectable power, but hampered by a lack of features, no manual transmission available with the V-6, and a stupid 100 mph top speed governor.

Ford needs to make a better Honda than Honda, at a better price. But they can't because the overhead costs related to decades of union wages and benefits are much, much higher than those of Honda. Plus, they can't seem to get a car out with all the bells and whistles already included.

111 posted on 09/17/2006 5:55:00 AM PDT by meyer (A vote for amnesty is a vote against America.)
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