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Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"(Hooray for the Pope!)
Reuters News Service ^ | Sep 12, 2006 | Philip Pullella and Madeline Chambers

Posted on 09/12/2006 11:52:19 AM PDT by kellynla

REGENSBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Pope Benedict invited Muslims on Tuesday to join a dialogue of cultures based on the premise that the concept of an Islamic "holy war" is unreasonable and against God's nature.

In a major lecture at Regensburg University, where he taught theology between 1969 to 1977, Benedict said Christianity is tightly linked to reason and contrasted this view with those who believe in spreading their faith by the sword.

The 79-year-old Pontiff avoided making a direct criticism of Islam, packaging his comments in a highly complex academic lecture with references ranging from ancient Jewish and Greek thinking to Protestant theology and modern atheism.

In his lecture, the Pope quoted, among others, the 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologos who wrote that Mohammad had brought things "only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The Pope, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war" in his lecture, added in his own words: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

Benedict several times quoted Emperor Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable and that acting without reason -- "logos" in the original Greek -- was against God's nature.

At the end of his lecture, the Pope again quoted Manuel and said: "It is to this great 'logos', to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures."

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; catholicism; germany; iran; iraq; islam; israel; jihad; moralabsolutes; muslims; pope; terrorism; terrorists; wot
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To: kellynla
Dialogue is going to be difficult, since they don't believe in God.

They believe in something called "Allah", who wants them to kill everything non-Muslim, preferably in the most cruel and brutal ways imaginable.
61 posted on 09/12/2006 1:38:32 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: GunnyHartman
let's get some Secret Service guys over to the Vatican.

Not really necessary ... but perhaps a bit of cooperation between the USSS and the Swiss Guards might be in order ...

62 posted on 09/12/2006 1:50:11 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sageb1
Didn't notice or approved of and thus did not comment?

Certainly a possibility. My question is what were the muslims doing in an infidel's place of worship?

63 posted on 09/12/2006 1:57:04 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Great job on the part of Rush. Must see video.


64 posted on 09/12/2006 2:10:16 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: wtc911
When I was a kid in the fifties we prayed the Rosary in school for the fall of communism.

What we prayed for was the CONVERSION of Russia. The fall of communism would have been the likely outcome. I think we should start praying for the Conversion of those enslaved by the Death Cult of Radical Islam.

65 posted on 09/12/2006 2:16:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: kellynla

The Pope doesn't need to open a dialogue with these people,... he needs to perform a mass exorcism!


66 posted on 09/12/2006 2:37:30 PM PDT by Gritty (The sad reality is that never before has an enemy hidden in such plain sight - Mark Steyn)
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To: Alex Murphy

Lots of jargon there. Perhaps someone can explain in a way that cuts to the chase.


67 posted on 09/12/2006 2:40:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: cpforlife.org

Maybe there's a way to insinuate liberal modernism into Islam...
Get them all chasing after their Enneagram numbers and doing roleplaying with sock puppets.

68 posted on 09/12/2006 3:19:14 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: kellynla
the concept of an Islamic "holy war" is unreasonable and against God's nature.

It is but these people do not worship a God. They worship Satan himself! Praying 6 times a day to a borg cube does not make a God!

69 posted on 09/12/2006 3:23:33 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: samtheman

Can reports of enraged Muslims be far behind?


70 posted on 09/12/2006 3:29:30 PM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: kellynla

Waiting on Ibraham Hooper and the CAIR Gang™ to demand an apology from the pope ...5, 4, 3, 2....


71 posted on 09/12/2006 3:37:08 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: kellynla; sandyeggo; Pyro7480; Cronos; Siobhan; Father; tlRCta; Convert from ECUSA; visualops; ...

FULL TEXT OF POPE'S ADDRESS


REMINDER TO ALL

The Pope will make an official visit to Turkey in November, at the invitation of President Ahmet Necdet Sezer.

The Pope's visit will coincide with the feast of St. Andrew, the patron of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, on November 30. Shortly after Pope Benedict's election, Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I had invited the Pope to join him for the celebration of that feast day. The Pontiff had accepted the invitation, but his wish to make the trip in 2005 was thwarted by the Turkish government's reluctance to issue a quick invitation. Later-- having signaled its annoyance with the Orthodox leader for issuing an invitation without prior consultation, and perhaps also its displeasure with remarks that the Pontiff had made criticizing Turkey's bid for entry into the European Union-- the Ankara regime suggested that Pope Benedict would be welcome to visit in 2006. The official announcement of the papal trip comes just as Church officials are still mourning the death of Father Andrea Santoro, an Italian missionary priest who was killed in Turkey on February 5, apparently by an Islamic fanatic. The slain priest had only recently written to Pope Benedict, asking the Holy Father to visit his little parish in the Black Sea port town of Trabzon, during his stay in Turkey.


The pope's speech today, is a direct message to the Muslims in Turkey.

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72 posted on 09/12/2006 3:49:20 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: SuziQ

Your recollection is accurate.


73 posted on 09/12/2006 3:58:00 PM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: pgyanke; kellynla
Faith dialogue is impossible with Islam.

There is an old expression: "actions speak louder than words". During the recent war in Lebanon, the Maronite Catholics opened their homes and communities to Muslims fleeing from the south. They followed our Lord's words to "feed, clothe and shelter the poor". In the evening, they invited their Muslim 'brothers' to join them in prayer. The children responded with many questions about Jesus Christ. One even asked a priest to give him a cross to wear. The priest agreed but only with the parent's permission, which was willingly granted.

Following the cease fire, the Muslims packed up their belongings and returned to their devastated villages in the south. They invited the priest to come visit them and so he did, on 3 separate occasions. These Muslims readily admitted that if a christian had fled to their village, they would not have done anything. Their hearts were and opened by the charity given them by Catholics, both lay and religious. On his 3rd visit to one family, they insisted that he join them for dinner and asked him to bless their home.

God works in remarkable ways. Please remember and pray for all of these Muslims who have begun to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.

74 posted on 09/12/2006 4:03:13 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: ArrogantBustard
knowing full well they will ignore him, he forces them to show their hands, to reveal to the West exactly what they are.

Great point! Let's see how they respond.

75 posted on 09/12/2006 4:06:21 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: kellynla
Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue

I don't know where Dialogue is. But, I hope it has tight security.

?;^T

76 posted on 09/12/2006 4:11:24 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: Huber
Although my knowledge of the Koran is superficial, it does seem that Islam, unlike Christianity and Judaism, is incompatable with reason.

Therefore, the seeds of reason can weaken Islam's death-grip on at least some fortunate souls.

Thank you for pointing this out!

ROMA, August 29, 2006 – A ten-point plan “for a definitive peace in the Middle East” has been making the rounds for a few days in the Vatican and in the embassies, and has arrived on the pope’s desk.

The author is a Jesuit who was born in Egypt and has lived in Lebanon, a professor at the Université Saint Joseph in Beirut, at the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome, and at the Centre de Théologie Sèvres in Paris, and founder and director of the Centre de Documentation et de Recherches Arabes Chrétiennes in Lebanon: Fr. Samir Khalil Samir.

Benedict XVI knows him and highly respects him. In September of 2005, the pope held a closed-door seminar at Castel Gandolfo with Samir and other scholars of Islam, on the concept of God in the Qur’an.

“A Decalogue for Peace in the Middle East” - Leading scholar of Islam submits proposal to Vatican

77 posted on 09/12/2006 4:12:55 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: GunnyHartman
Mr Bush, let's get some Secret Service guys over to the Vatican.

While I'm sure some Secret Service guys wouldn't mind the detail, I'm confident the Pontifical Swiss Guard are up to the task.

Swiss Guard

78 posted on 09/12/2006 4:14:45 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: cpforlife.org

Here is the head of security....

To commemorate the victory of the Christian Armada over the Turks on October 7, 1571, Pope Pius V introduced in 1572 the "festem BMV de victoria" (Feast of the Blessed Virgin Mother of Victory). In 1573 his successor, Pope Gregory XIII, changed this title to "Feast of the Holy Rosary" to be celebrated on the first Sunday of October. The privilege to celebrate this feast was granted to all those churches which had a Rosary altar. Clemens XI extended it to the whole Church. Under Pius X the feast was again scheduled for October 7; it changed name in 1960 and became "Feast of the Blessed Virgin Mary of the Rosary." This appellation was changed again in 1969 to "Our Lady of the Rosary" and it is now a mandatory memorial. The reference to victory or Our Lady of Victory was maintained in titles and for sanctuaries the world over, in particular in Spain, Italy, France and Germany. The title frequently commemorates, even before Lepanto, the victory over heresy and paganism. Already Gregory Pisides (ca 600-650) sees in Mary the only and unique victor over nature (miraculous birth of Christ and unarmed victory over the Avares in 626). One of the most famous sanctuaries dedicated to Our Lady of Victories is in Paris (Notre Dame des Victoires, 2eme arrondissement). The sanctuary is intimately connected with the Miraculous Medal and the Archconfraternity devoted to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This devotion had its origin at the church of Notre Dame des Victoires in Paris and expanded during the latter half of last century over much of the Catholic world.


79 posted on 09/12/2006 4:15:38 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: little jeremiah
I hope there's a link to his entire lecture down the thread, I'd like to read it.

It's in post #72.

80 posted on 09/12/2006 4:21:31 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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