Son Gets Marijuana for Doing Homework

http://www.comcast.net/ ^ | 9 12 06 | Associated Press

[freepatriot32]

GETTYSBURG, Pa. - A woman admitted to smoking marijuana daily with her 13-year-old son to reward him for completing his homework. Amanda Lynn Livelsberger, 30, pleaded guilty to several charges Monday and will be sentenced Nov. 27.

Livelsberger, of Conewago Township, admitted in Adams County court that she had been smoking marijuana with her son since he was 11, and that she often gave it to him as a reward.

The boy told police that he was required to do his homework as soon as he got home from school, and then was allowed to smoke marijuana with his mother, according to court documents.

Livelsberger pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of corruption of minors, possession with intent to deliver drug paraphernalia, possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of a small amount of marijuana and possession of a small amount of marijuana with intent to distribute.

The plea did not stipulate a sentence.

The woman also said she also smoked marijuana with two of her son's friends, ages 17 and 18, police said. The 18-year-old also told investigators he had also bought heroin from Livelsberger.

[Paved Paradise]

Well for example, wine has nutritional content and the body can use it. The body doesn't need pot and to my knowledge there is no nutritional content.

Also, in OT times and even NT times, the water in some areas was not good, so people could drink wine and obtain fluids this way.

If you are trying to compare alcohol to pot as if they are even closely related in any way, you are a nutter.

[mugs99]

If you are trying to compare alcohol to pot as if they are even closely related in any way, you are a nutter.
I'm not. Alcohol is a dangerous drug...Marijuana is not.

Well for example, wine has nutritional content and the body can use it. The body doesn't need pot and to my knowledge there is no nutritional content
Marijuana has nutritional content and the body can use it. In fact, marijuana has been used as food for over five thousand years. Marijuana will support life. Alcohol will not.

Everything you think you know about marijuana is wrong. Volumes of research have been published since medical marijuana was legalized in California.

The latest...Alzheimers disease. Medical marijuana supporters have been claiming since 1996 that marijuana helps stop alzheimers disease.
That claim has now been proven by scientists.
Investigators at The Scripps Research Institute in California reported that THC inhibits the enzyme responsible for the aggregation of amyloid plaque — the primary marker for Alzheimer's disease — in a manner "considerably superior" to approved Alzheimer's drugs such as donepezil and tacrine. "Our results provide a mechanism whereby the THC molecule can directly impact Alzheimer's disease pathology," researchers concluded. "THC and its analogues may provide an improved therapeutic option for Alzheimer's disease by... simultaneously treating both the symptoms and the progression of the disease".

Marijuana has also been proven to be more effective than Ritalin to treat kids with ADD...with none of the dangerous side effects of Ritalin.

Want more?
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[Know your rights]

I also was one of them ... also a valedictorian and National Merit Scholarship winner.

[Paved Paradise]

No, unless you have some clinical and scientific data you can linke for me. If you want to PROVE something, I want hard information. I think the proof is in the pudding on this topic. I realize that alcohol has destroyed many lives but it IS legal and more people use it. If the same #s used pot, I think we'd be in DEEP, DEEP doo-doo. I've seen it ruin a few lives so I have had enough of my own anecdotal evidence to give me some basic common sense on this topic.

And frankly, FWIW, I live my life based on the Bible and the Bible condemns drunkenness and anything that fogs the mind (excluding medicinal uses of course and I have no problem with pot being used medicinally). Pharmokeia and the occult go hand-in-hand.

[Know your rights]

Investigators at The Scripps Research Institute in California reported that THC inhibits the enzyme responsible for the aggregation of amyloid plaque — the primary marker for Alzheimer's disease — in a manner "considerably superior" to approved Alzheimer's drugs such as donepezil and tacrine. "Our results provide a mechanism whereby the THC molecule can directly impact Alzheimer's disease pathology," researchers concluded. "THC and its analogues may provide an improved therapeutic option for Alzheimer's disease by... simultaneously treating both the symptoms and the progression of the disease". [...] Want more?

No, unless you have some clinical and scientific data you can linke for me. If you want to PROVE something, I want hard information.

He's provided evidence, you've provided bupkus. There may be no convincing you ... but openminded lurkers know who has the better of the argument.

[Paved Paradise]

That's a quote he's provided. It's not a citation. Shut up.

[Paved Paradise]

Oh, and re: open minded. You are obviously one of the peole who is so open minded, your brains have fallen out.

[mugs99]

No, unless you have some clinical and scientific data you can linke for me. If you want to PROVE something, I want hard information.

I gave you a quote from the hard data. You can read it yourself at the Scripps website:
Scripps Research THC

But, I can see by your reply that no amount of hard data will do for you:
"Pharmokeia and the occult go hand-in-hand".

You are unable to use God's gift of reason and care only about your quest to banish temptation.
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[MaxMax]

Whatever happened to a plain old beer with a cigar after?
/Heh

[mugs99]

The Banish Temptation Crusaders can't be convinced. They are our version of the Taliban.

[mugs99]

Lol...
After what?

[MaxMax]

My uncle gave me my first beer and followed it with
a cigar, which made me throw it up.

Hard lesson learned. /Smile

[mugs99]

Lol!

[Know your rights]

That's a quote he's provided. It's not a citation.

As I said: He's provided evidence, you've provided bupkus.

Shut up.

Standard Drug Warrior 'debating' technique.

[A CA Guy]

I've provided proof from everywhere on various threads and it makes no difference, these drug users/activists are true believers no matter what.

Want to see how obsessed with drugs some are? Get and eye full and check out the number of drug posts some of the folks on these threads make.

[SoldierDad]

"Marijuana has also been proven to be more effective than Ritalin to treat kids with ADD...with none of the dangerous side effects of Ritalin."

As a School Psychologist who works with children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD every day your above statement is an outrage and a lie. There are NO STUDIES of this kind anywhere in the world. This claim is spurious and dangerous.

[mugs99]

As a School Psychologist who works with children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD every day your above statement is an outrage and a lie. There are NO STUDIES of this kind anywhere in the world. This claim is spurious and dangerous.
ROFL!!!
You're a Ritalin pusher!
You may want to research Dr. Claudia Jensen, clinical instructor at the University of Southern California before calling someone an outrageous liar.

It was even on TV in april of 2004. Many doctors in California are now using medical marijuana to treat ADD and Oregon is now adding marijuana to the ADD treatment list. There have been many Ritalin deaths. Marijuana has never killed anyone.

Here's where it began in 2004:
Transcript: Dr. Claudia Jensen - Cannabis for ADD
Posted by CN Staff on April 23, 2004 at 13:34:28 PT
Countdown with Keith Olbermann
Source: MSNBC

COUNTDOWN is in the home stretch now. Your preview of our No. 1 story, the war on drugs meets the war to get your kids‘ attention. Just say no to ADD and give your kid pot? A doctor explains next.

OLBERMANN: They are a diagnoses at near epidemic proportions for kids in this country, ADD and ADHD, attention deficit disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Fair or not, they are so common as to become part of the vernacular referring to our collective short attention span and inability to focus. Don‘t mind him, he‘s got ADD.

According to a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics, when our nation‘s doctors encounter a patient with one of these disorders, they go to right to one drug, methylphenidate. You may know it better as Ritalin. But there is a lesser known treatment, one that may in fact be more effective with fewer side effects, cannabis. You may know that better as weed, reefer, Mary Jane, marijuana.

Dr. Claudia Jensen is a clinical instructor at the University of Southern California and a practicing pediatrician who advocates the use of medicinal marijuana for the treatment of ADD and ADHD.

Dr. Jensen, good evening.

DR. CLAUDIA JENSEN, MEDICAL MARIJUANA ADVOCATE: Hi. Hello. How are you?

OLBERMANN: This is something you feel strongly about. You even testified before Congress a few weeks ago an the use of medical marijuana. What led you to the conclusion that this is a viable treatment for this disorder?

JENSEN: Well, that is what patients reported to me, so I listened to them. And I started paying attention and asking more questions when I did patient interviews. It seems to be rather consistent. They keep saying it over and over again.

OLBERMANN: There are parents who are no doubt thinking, as they watch this, without any kind of analysis or any kind of medical explanation or the expert testimony of a doctor who has listened to patients, that this is that it makes no senses to them, the idea that they are fighting on one front the influence, the pernicious influence of marijuana in a teenager‘s life, a kid‘s life, and yet you are here saying that this can be of enormous value in treating this rampant and life-constricting disease.

How do you respond to people who have the knee-jerk reaction, how could this possibly be any good?

JENSEN: Well, first of all, you‘re right. This is a potentially life-debilitating condition for a lot of children and adolescents. They become very angry.

And I think the answer to that question is that it needs to be evaluated by a physician before it‘s recommended to a child or an adolescent. And the truth is that one of the reasons that adolescents have an increasing use of cannabis, marijuana, in this country is because they‘ve been lied to. They‘ve been told that this is a very dangerous drug and that it has no benefit. And, unfortunately, that‘s not what they experience in the streets.

And I think it‘s more appropriate to bring it up out of the streets and into the doctor‘s offices, so that children and adolescents and parents can learn the truth, get some of the data, and look at this drug not with a reefer madness perspective, but more with a scientific and factual perspective.

OLBERMANN: How would you administer this to children, at what age? And I‘m presuming that the means of dispensing would be primarily those other than smoking it, am I correct?

JENSEN: That‘s what I primarily recommend, particularly with ADD and ADHD, because smoking marijuana has such a short duration. It only lasts an hour and a half to two hours. Plus, there‘s the stigma of the child smoking anything. But smoking pot is a difficult social issue to deal with.

When they ingest those cannabinoids or cannabis compounds, for example, marijuana, it lasts a lot longer. They can get all the way through the day with a single cannabis cookie or piece of toast with cannabis peanut butter in the morning before school. They don‘t have to get stoned. It‘s dose-related. But they do get the benefit of being able to focus and pay attention, not be impulsive, not be angry, be peaceful and relaxed and pay attention in school, which helps them get better grades, which is the important issue.

OLBERMANN: Anything would work.

Dr. Claudia Jensen from USC, many thanks for your time tonight.

JENSEN: Thank you. Thank you for your time.

OLBERMANN: Certainly

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[SoldierDad]

You're a Ritalin pusher!
"You may want to research Dr. Claudia Jensen, clinical instructor at the University of Southern California before calling someone an outrageous liar.

First of all, I do not push Ritalin. Just the opposite. I look for other means of dealing with this issue, and try to disuade parents from using Ritalin as a first step. Second, there are NO STUDIES USING MARIJUANA TO TREAT MINORS FOR ADD/ADHD ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - NONE. If this person you are so raptured by is doing any reseach she is using adults, not children. No University is going to sign off on using a controlled substance in reseach for any purpose on children. Your claim was that is was proven effective on children, and this is not true.

"Dr. Claudia Jensen is a clinical instructor at the University of Southern California and a practicing pediatrician who advocates the use of medicinal marijuana for the treatment of ADD and ADHD."

Advocating is not providing evidence of it's effectiveness. Think about how marijuana works, and the fact that the effects wear off after a period of time (just like prescribed medications for ADD/ADHD). Are you saying these kids are smoking marijuana at school? Where is this happening? In order to conduct research into how something affects the behaviors of ADD/ADHD kids you'd need to employ the "drug" in the school setting. Otherwise, you are not testing the effects on school performance, which is where ADD/ADHD provides the biggest negative impact on children. You also need control groups. Just because some person makes a claim on MSNBC does not make the claim factual. You shouldn't believe everything you see on T.V., especially MSNBC.

"It was even on TV in april of 2004. Many doctors in California are now using medical marijuana to treat ADD and Oregon is now adding marijuana to the ADD treatment list. There have been many Ritalin deaths. Marijuana has never killed anyone."

No where in California is there any children using marijuana for the treatment of ADHD/ADD. This is just not happening. Ritalin has never directly killed anyone. Ritalin does not posses enough amphetamine to produce death. All the deaths that have been attributed to Ritalin were by suicide, and Ritalin was only one drug those students were taking. You should do a better job of researching your facts. Don't take on an issue with someone who works in that field unless you bring ammunition to the arguement. Don't believe every stupid thing you see/hear on MSNBC, especially from OLBERMANN.

[mugs99]

First of all, I do not push Ritalin. Just the opposite. I look for other means of dealing with this issue
Well I'm certainly happy to hear that. My respect for your opinion has increased.

NO STUDIES USING MARIJUANA TO TREAT MINORS FOR ADD/ADHD ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD - NONE...No University is going to sign off on using a controlled substance in reseach for any purpose on children
Lol!
You shout about the lack of university study, yet you acknowledge the reason that there are no university studies?
We do have studies. We have the "studies" in the form of reports by doctors who are using marijuana to treat ADD/ADHD.

Your claim was that is was proven effective on children, and this is not true
You should follow your own advise about doing research before you post. You didn't bother to check out Dr. Jensen and read about her patients...like the one diagnosed as suffering from ADHD at age thirteen and had been prescribed every drug available up to age 15 with no improvement. He couldn't even attend school. She treated him with cannabis in food and candy form and he improved to the point where he now regularly attends school.

Are you saying these kids are smoking marijuana at school?
Of course not and that shows that you didn't bother to read the transcript I posted or to check out the reference I cited for yourself. The cannabis is usually in peanut butter spread on a slice of toast before the child leaves for school.

No where in California is there any children using marijuana for the treatment of ADHD/ADD.
I just cited the example of one of her patients above. She is only one doctor of many in California. I find it interesting that you claim to work in this field, yet you are unaware of the Cannabis MD Reports in California. How can that be?

Ritalin has never directly killed anyone. Ritalin does not posses enough amphetamine to produce death. All the deaths that have been attributed to Ritalin were by suicide
Again, your knowledge for someone who claims to work in this field is sorely lacking.
There have been at least 19 cases of sudden death in children taking Methylphenidate (Ritalin) in 2005...They did not commit suicide. They died from heart attacks caused by Methylphenidate (Ritalin). Between 1990 and 2000 there were 186 deaths from Methylphenidate (Ritalin) reported to the FDA MedWatch program...They did not commit suicide. They died of heart attacks caused by Methylphenidate (Ritalin).

Don't take on an issue with someone who works in that field unless you bring ammunition to the arguement
I believe my ammo is doing just fine. So far all you've done is shoot blanks.

I'll finish with with a quote from a guy who really does work in that field you claim...Jay R. Cavanaugh, Ph.D.
"Cannabis can provide unique help with some childhood disorders including cancer but also attention deficit disorder and autism. These latter disorders are currently treated with powerful stimulants such as amphetamine in the first case and with brain numbing toxic preparations such as Haldol in the case of autism. Parents of autistic children and children with severe ADHD often are desperate for help with seemingly insurmountable problems. Behavioral therapies while very helpful often fail to relieve the aggressive, indeed violent, behavior and lack of impulse control sometimes associated with these disorders.

Out of sheer desperation, a number of parents have begun trying adjunctive therapy with cannabis for their children. Most activists within the medical cannabis community are frightened by this development for the very real reason that they believe the use of cannabis with children will only increase the efforts of law enforcement to crush the movement. Nothing could be further from the truth. Some childhood behavioral brain disorders are so resistant to traditional treatment and that treatment is often so toxic that virtually any new method that provides real relief is going to result in a groundswell of support for medical cannabis. This is already happening in the autism community.

Imagine a child being given half a dozen psychotropic drugs from Prozac to Haldol to Valium and who continues to break down doors and assault others seemingly without provocation who now responds to therapy with medical cannabis. Imagine the parents of such children contemplating a lock up for their beloved child who now sees that child calm and functional. Loving parents will demand that cannabis be provided to the arsenal their pediatricians and pediatric neurologists already have".
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[robertpaulsen]

The study mentions the effect of THC on Alzheimer's, not the effect of marijuana on Alzheimer's.

Does smoking marijuana provide enough THC to the system to have a similar effect on Alzheimer's? If not, or if you don't know, maybe you shouldn't be too anxious to flout your ignorance of this topic.