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To: HAL9000; Dog; Marine_Uncle; blam; TigerLikesRooster; MadIvan; AmericanInTokyo; jveritas; ...

Not much makes the press about Massood, but he was a hero to both the U.S. as well as Afghanistan.

His 2,000 tribesmen defeated 6 different Soviet Offensives headon on the battlefield, and per CCCP sources Massood's tiny band of tribesmen shot down 350 Soviet jet fighters and bombers.

You hear the endless claptrap of how Afghanistan is another Vietnam or how the U.S. will fall into the same trap in Afghanistan as did the CCCP, but that's all worthless, uneducated agitprop.

The remnants of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, along with whatever is left of the Taliban, are less capable today of shooting down U.S. fighter jets than back when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan and actually had air defenses, for instance. And as a sidenote: the same thing holds true in Iraq. Unlike the resistance in Vietnam and in Afghanistan against the Soviets, the insurgents left in Iraq and Afghanistan are wholly incapable of shooting down U.S. jet fighters and bombers.

This simple fact (and there are thousands of other such facts) should make it clear that the U.S. is better than the forces who tried such things in those places in the past.

I.E. something is different.

Which means that Iraq and Afghanistan today aren't like Vietnam and Afghanistan of the past.

Massood himself was entirely capable of defeating the Taliban. He was bleeding the Taliban, convincing them to go on offensives into his mountain stronghold.

Just as he defeated the Soviets, so too was he eventually going to defeat the Taliban. U.S. airpower and specops, of course, sped up that process by years, perhaps even decades, but the Northern Alliance was going to win again regardless.

And Massood never forgot who armed him against the Soviets: the U.S.

Likewise, Afghans have never forgotten that Massood liberated Afghanistan from the Soviets.

Nor will the Northern Alliance forget who aided them in defeating the Taliban and Arab Al Qaeda.


8 posted on 09/09/2006 11:04:18 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Massood himself was entirely capable of defeating the Taliban.

He had some capability to fight the Taliban - but not enough to resources to defeat them. I posted several articles about Massood in the months and years prior to 9/11, and frankly, he was on his last leg.

Prior to his death, Massood went on a speaking tour across Europe, warning about the dangers of the Taliban and seeking military and financial assistance. He was warmly received in the European capitals - but he received no help. He was deeply disappointed at the lack of response. Only when the Taliban destroyed the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan did the international community begin to sense the evils of Talibanism.

A few weeks before his assassination, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Northern Alliance. Massood was losing ground daily, and it was just a matter of time until his positions were lost.

If al-Qaeda had not attacked the U.S., the Taliban would have achieved total hegemony over Afghanistan by the Winter of 2001. But since bin Laden made the tactical error of assassinating Massood just a couple of days before 9/11, the Northern Alliance still had a small pocket of territory and enough fighters to effectively help the U.S. when our troops arrived in the following weeks. They were good allies.

10 posted on 09/10/2006 12:14:02 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Happy 10th Anniversary FreeRepublic.com - Est. Sept. 23, 1996 - Thanks Jim!)
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Re #8

I think his old groups are well represented in Afghan government. There is no way Talibans/Al-Qaeda can overrun the country again, unless U.S. totally abandons it.

His faction, made up of ethnic Tajiks, is the dread enemy of Talibans, who are mostly Pashtuns.

11 posted on 09/10/2006 1:01:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Southack
Unlike the resistance in Vietnam and in Afghanistan against the Soviets, the insurgents left in Iraq and Afghanistan are wholly incapable of shooting down U.S. jet fighters and bombers.

Good post. Let me extend your point further, to action on the ground. In the first two instances the opposition forces were able to engage in stand-up fights against the superpower forces. The Vietnamese and the Muj were able to actually beat the opposing armies from time to time.

Today on the otherhand the insurgents can merely lay boobytraps. They have zero capibilty to successfully engage in an actual battle and only a slight ability to even lay an effective ambush.

Neither opponent today approaches anything like an army or even an irregular army. The Mahdi Militia probably came closest. They quickly discovered that that level of "organization" will not cut it against US forces.

17 posted on 09/10/2006 3:25:12 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Southack
Thanks for the summary of facts. I for one believe entirely to much credit is given to the Russian forces regarding their attempt of conquest in Afghanistan, in some quarters. The screwed the pouch on that endevour. And there continue to be to many arm chair generals short of facts regarding NAM. After President Nixon told the JCS enough is enough and allowed them to conduct the war as it should have been done years earlier, and mined Haipong Harbor, allowed our air power to decimate their ground to air defense in Hanoi and elsewhere, literally ground their remaining airforce, and interdict and destroy their supply lines, they had to go to Paris and sit down. As we know, they realized it was over, and if things continued we would bomb them out of existence and allow our ground troops to take out what remained.
Walter Kronkite and others invented the word quagmire. Least we forget, I know you don't for a moment, only after we left did the goons dare break the truce and invade the south. We did not loose any frigen war.
At any rate. What you write here, has my backing 100%.
24 posted on 09/10/2006 8:02:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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Had he not been assassinated,
he would have been THE great
leader of Afghanistan.
42 posted on 09/12/2006 10:54:45 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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