Posted on 09/09/2006 8:39:07 PM PDT by curiosity
Thank you, as I sent to the poster that did not explain, my search brought me to the expounding upon that sin of 'pride', and it was committed against the Heavenly Father, described by Ezekiel 28:12-19 to the king of Tyrus.
Do you think that's why the Bible says "and there was evening and morning" for each of the 6 days of Creation?
So you would know that they're 24-hour days?
I have not read every post, do not have the time, but from what I have it seems that the Bible is objected to as credible source for discovery into the mind of the Heavenly Father.
Me personally after many years of searching and study have come to the conclusion that in this flesh body we can never fully comprehend the Glory the Power and Perfection that is the Heavenly Father.
But what would be the purpose of employing a transitional system. Philosophically speaking, the only benefit I can see is for man to understand the causality of nature. But this can be accomplished without the existence of evolution.
Tell, me, what, in your opinion, do you think would be beneficial for both God and man:
1)understanding the causality of nature through evolution
2)understanding the causality of God through creation
>What about the 'supposed' miracles performed by Jesus?
That's for someone else to care about, not me. Not interested.
>What did I 'interpret'?
By quoting the Bible, you have 'interpreted' that it is a valid means by which to discuss the existence of God. I reject this. Do I have to be any more blunt, or can we, as I have requested, leave it at that? There is nothing in that book that has any bearing on my Faith, and I see no productive reason to continue this line of discussion. If there is or was a Jesus, if he performed miracles or not, means nothing to me. My own feelings, belief, thoughts, and opinions on God are all I consider relevant, and since others sharing theirs with me is typically wasteful (and often obnoxious), my tendency is to keep it to myself. If that's wrong in the eyes of God, that's between him & me, not anyone else.
If you can't accept that my faith & belief doesn't hinge on Jesus, miracles, the Bible, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then you're just going to have to get over it. And if this means I'm doomed to Hell, then that's my problem, not yours. If you're determined to discuss miracles, Jesus, & Scripture, take it up with someone who cares.
I don't understand why the two have to be mutually exclusive.
If you are referring to Mohamed, from what I've read about the history of Islam, he was illiterate. His followers wrote down what he said.
Who is a 'type' of Satan.
Ok then.
Oh; this is definitely true!
But, if GOD does 'communicate' with His creation; how does HE do it?
"In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. Jesus taught that God created the world and Adam and Eve. Jesus does not lie. There is no "theistic evolution" but only a sell-out of Biblical truth to accomodate this anti-God age.
I stand corrected.
I agree, and I also accept the theory of evolution. What makes you think the theory contradicts the above doctrine?
Ken Miller argues that it facilitates free will.
In order for free will to exist, the created order has to have some independence from God. That is, it must be the case that God does not directly cause everything that happens in the universe. Creatures have to be capable of willing things and causing things on their own, and it is only fitting that they themselves are made through a process that God does not directly control.
Of course, God is the ultimate cause of all things, for he created nature and all its laws, and the universe is not completely independent Him. He sustains it, after all. That is not the same thing, however, as God directly willing and causing all things that happen therein.
We still have the problem(?) of how to accept what is considered to be a 'holy book'.
Just in the 'christian' world there are groups that don't accept ALL the bible. Others that add TO the bible, others that IGNORE parts of it while ACCEPTING it (how does THAT work?) and still others that barely read it at all.
In order for free will to exist, the created order has to have some independence from God.
How does temporal distance (time) and physical transition facilitate free will.
By creation I mean man in his present form, which is incompatible with common descent.
Neither of those is important. What matters is secondary causation.
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