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A "Conservative" Arnold? Don't Bet On (California Liberal Governor In GOP Drag Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/09/06 | David N. Bass

Posted on 09/08/2006 11:40:12 PM PDT by goldstategop

Just over one week after signing a sweeping pro-homosexual bill into law, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger showed textbook duplicity by vetoing a bill designed to outlaw public school materials from "reflecting adversely" upon persons because of their sexual orientation. Sidestepping the core moral questions raised by the legislation, Schwarzenegger rejected SB1437 for attempting "to offer vague protection when current law already provides clear protection against discrimination in our schools based on sexual orientation."

Perhaps mystified by Schwarzenegger's apparent reticence to sign this bill into law, state Sen. Sheila Kuehl, herself a lesbian and the primary sponsor of the bill, expressed disappointment in a press release, chiding the governor for responding "to a small, shrill group of right-wing extremists rather than a fair-minded majority of Californians who support this reasonable measure."

The veto might have had something to do with the massive influx of calls the Governor's office has recently received in response to Schwarzenegger's approval of SB1441 Aug. 28. That measure, also sponsored by Kuehl, discriminates against any entity receiving public funding for speaking out against the homosexual lifestyle. This includes religious organizations that firmly believe in the sanctity of marriage and traditional views of sexuality.

On Sept. 5, the California-based Campaign for Children and Families conducted a rally attended by hundreds of citizens. According to a CCF press release, "the surging crowd signed petitions and called the Governor's office on their cell phones, demanding he veto all three bills that sexually indoctrinate schoolchildren."

Could it be that by signing one bill one week and then vetoing another bill the next, Arnold is feeling the pressure of morality-loving Americans? Or is he simply straddling the political fence in an attempt to have it both ways on such hot-button social issues as homosexual rights?

My answer: Neither.

No honest observer can claim that Schwarzenegger's move this week reflects any appreciable pro-family sympathy. Many conservative organizations are understandably grateful for this token veto that appears to hint at a traditional understanding of morality on the part of the Governor. The sad truth, however, is that it does not.

Don't get me wrong. Conservatives should always be grateful for small favors, especially when they relate to protecting young minds from instruction in sexual depravity. But in this particular case, the devil is in the details. Just look at Schwarzenegger's specific rationale for vetoing the bill. The action was not done out of respect for religious freedom or a desire to protect the minds of impressionable young children. Rather, it was based on a technicality, glossing over the central issue of so-called homosexual rights versus the free speech and religious freedom rights of Americans inherent in the Constitution.

In the Governor's own words, the bill was rejected "because the vagueness of the term 'reflects adversely' would not strengthen this important area of legal protection from bias based on sexual orientation." For the pro-family community, that motivation is hardly something worth celebrating.

No one denies that Schwarzenegger is anything but a social conservative. What many don't realize is that he is the exact opposite. For evidence, take the issue of same-sex marriage. Even though polls consistently show that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman, the California Governor has been reticent to clearly articulate his support for this cornerstone institution. Even after vetoing a dangerous bill in 2005 that would have legalized same-sex unions statewide, the California Governor side-stepped taking a firm stand on the issue by arguing that the definition of marriage should be decided by California's courts or voters and not the Legislature.

Such rationale is far from traditional, conservative belief. In fact, it flirts dangerously with outright liberalism.

So, what does this mean for conservatism in California? Oddly enough, it could be a good thing. Immediately following Schwarzenegger's election, many conservatives unwisely hailed the victory as an indication of a swing toward conservative principles in California. Yet throughout the Governor's term, he has consistently displayed antipathy toward conservative beliefs on a variety of social issues. He has shown the voting population that liberalism sometimes comes under the guise of conservatism.

How is that a good thing? While the poll numbers of moderates like Schwarzenegger continue to plummet, true conservatives will have a unique opportunity to make a positive dent in the California political scene. Traditional values will never win in California unless candidates become faithful to the core morality they espouse. Any other strategy put forth with the goal of restoring conservative principles in the Golden State is nothing more than California dreamin'.


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Is Arnold "conservative?" As inspired by the title of one his movies, True Lies, that answer is certainly wrong - he is a LIBERAL in GOP drag. David Bass has it right about California's Liberalinator Governor... with him at the helm, true conservatives will never advance their principles here. Its time we understood where the liberal Austrian stands. He is when all is said and done - not one of us. Let's not forget it in November.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

1 posted on 09/08/2006 11:40:14 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Now you've gone and done it. Here come the lists...

"Did you think a Democrat would have done this?"

When you haven't anything to offer, you start talkin down the other side.

Tell me what Arnold will do, not what others will or won't. Schwarzenegger had time to prove what he could do. No thanks.


2 posted on 09/08/2006 11:47:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: goldstategop

WND?


3 posted on 09/08/2006 11:49:01 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: goldstategop

Arnold Schwarzenegger has always been described by himself and others as moderate to liberal.



(I get extra points for actually using his last name in my post)


4 posted on 09/08/2006 11:49:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Tagline!  You're it.
5 posted on 09/08/2006 11:56:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Off topic rant: I was surprised to find alternet banned from FR. I think its censorship, since we need to be able to discuss and respond to what liberals are thinking. There was an article on metrosexuals by Robert Jensen. Too bad no one can take apart here thanks to FR's censorship policy. We've become what we oppose in the liberals.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

6 posted on 09/08/2006 11:59:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
OK. So its better to have a liberal Dem as governor who will oppose Bush and conservatives 100% of the time as opposed to a moderate Republican who will oppose conservatives 50% of the time. This kind of thinking just kills me. This is one of the reasons we are likely going to loose a Senate seat in Rhode Island.

We have absolutely zero chance of ever getting a true conservative elected there. A real conservative could not get elected in Rhode Island if he was the only one on the ballot. Lincoln Chafee is not my ideal Senator. And at times I think he's a an idiot. But he is OUR idiot. When the Senate caucuses to see which part has the majority he votes Republican. Yes he votes against Bush 2/3 of the time. But he votes with us at least sometimes. Any Dem that gets that seat is not going to vote for a Republican majority and can be a sure bet to vote against us at every opportunity across the board. Leave Arnold alone. I would prefer someone else as Governor, but the political reality in California is that he is the only electable Republican right now. I live here. I am not talking about what I would like to see. I am talking about cold political reality.

"I would rather get half of something than all of nothing."
-Ronald Reagan

7 posted on 09/09/2006 12:00:04 AM PDT by Calvin Coollidge (The last really great president.)
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To: ansel12
(I get extra points for actually using his last name in my post)

Yes, you do. Five, to be exact. ";^)

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8 posted on 09/09/2006 12:01:43 AM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Calvin Coollidge

"I would rather get half of something than all of nothing."
-Ronald Reagan



I do agree that we should always pressure him to the right as long as we don't get him or other republicans defeated.

Something I do like very much about Arnold is that he helps keep the republican party alive among the vast California electorate.

He gives the average voter the illusion that we still exist here, and he adds a positive, even hip or glamorous image to the party (in California)

I think that while republicans are in a deep hole in California politics, that in this dark period, he gives us a positive image and keeps our future chances alive while the grass roots can do some party rebuilding, outside of the public view.

One cold reality is that as a republican Governor in California, his only power is celebrity, the state media would simply ignore any other Republican governor.


9 posted on 09/09/2006 12:14:48 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: ansel12

Good points all.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 12:15:59 AM PDT by Calvin Coollidge (The last really great president.)
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To: doodlelady

It is a heck of a name, thanks for the points.


11 posted on 09/09/2006 12:23:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: goldstategop

Arnolds party is Arnold. Arnolds politics are defined by what it takes to win. Just like his career. He learned from mistakes and did what he had to do to win. Be it in body building, box office or ballot box.

He reflects the dysfunctional California electorate well.

That being said.

I will take an Arnold over a nut like Angelides anyday.

I have a chance with Arnold on some things. I have no chance at all with democrats.


12 posted on 09/09/2006 12:41:47 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: ansel12

Ahhh ~ five MORE good points!


13 posted on 09/09/2006 12:56:55 AM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

"Arnolds party is Arnold. Arnolds politics are defined by what it takes to win. Just like his career. He learned from mistakes and did what he had to do to win. Be it in body building, box office or ballot box.

He reflects the dysfunctional California electorate well.

That being said.

I will take an Arnold over a nut like Angelides anyday.

I have a chance with Arnold on some things. I have no chance at all with democrats."






I think yours is the best post I've ever seen on the Arnold threads.


14 posted on 09/09/2006 1:08:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Calvin Coollidge; Dr. Eckleburg
7 posted on 09/09/2006 12:00:04 AM PDT by Calvin Coollidge (The last really great president.)

Love the Screen Name, and the sentiment ("the last really great president": I happen to agree. By comparison to the stellar accomplishments of Coolidge, even Ronald Reagan -- the last Presbyterian President in recent years -- was at best an "almost great").

However, as you surely know, you have spelled Calvin Coollidge incorrectly.

Yes, I am aware that the correctly-spelled "Calvin Coolidge" Screen-Name has already been appropriated by some Evolutionist who has scarcely posted since 2005, and even then only to tweak Creationists (hardly a worthy heir to the Coolidge name).

However, if you would LIKE to use the good name of our 30th President as your own electronic nom de guerre, I could humbly suggest an alternative to resorting to misspellings... you could use the man's full name, which was of course John Calvin Coolidge, jr. (Born on the Fourth of July, 1872, Coolidge was named for the Protestant Reformer John Calvin, of course).

Just a historical nitpick, from one Coolidge aficianado to another. Your choice of screen-names is your own, of course.

Best, OP

15 posted on 09/09/2006 1:14:30 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Calvin Coollidge; Alex Murphy
lol. My husband found an old Calvin Coolidge For President button somewhere and it's graced our library for years.

Regarding the Governator, I read Susan Estrich saying Steven Spielberg and David Geffen have endorsed Schwarzenegger.

That can't be good.
16 posted on 09/09/2006 1:27:16 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: goldstategop

California Conservatives! You have a choice in the November Election! Vote for conservative, down-the-ballot Republicans. For Governor, don't support Arnold and his wacky liberal policies.

Vote for Ed Noonan, the American Independent Party Candidate for Governor. He is 100% Conservative and proud of it. For more information, visit www.ednoonan4gov.org


17 posted on 09/09/2006 4:16:56 AM PDT by Brian Sears (Time flies like an arrow, and fruit flies like a bannana)
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To: goldstategop

Gosh, I'm so glad we have a Kennedy in the Sacramento Capitol Building. That way the Dems only get 80% of what they want, and 110% of the morally corrupt stuff.


18 posted on 09/09/2006 4:27:58 AM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: ansel12
I will take an Arnold over a nut like Angelides anyday. I have a chance with Arnold on some things. I have no chance at all with democrats.

Here are the obvious problems the viewpoint represents.

1) Approving a liberal at the top of the Republican ticket in California gives license to the CAGOP hierarchy to promote other liberals to high office and expand the footprint of liberalism within the CAGOP

2) Most of the elected Republican officials in California are clearly conservative. They are the force behind Schwarzenegger's veto. Had Schwarzenegger allowed them to act, they would have stopped the increased spending at the legislative level. Under a Democrat administration, this conservative minority, is a legislative roadblock to higher taxes and increased spending for liberal pursuits.

3) Schwarzenegger can continue double digit spending increases and raise taxes with application of the force of the CAGOP campaign purse strings. Angelides couldn't without minority cooperation and if legislative Republicans cooperate, Angelides is the least of our worries.

4) Reagan and other conservative stalwarts have repeatedly pointed out that chance is not good politics. A chance doesn't even represent a 50% compromise and an acceptable threshold for compromise is 75% by the Reagan doctrine. Chance represents whimsy. Our system is republican, not whimsical.

19 posted on 09/09/2006 9:18:04 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

That wasn't my post, you need to direct your post to


Names Ash Housewares (post 12)


20 posted on 09/09/2006 11:30:13 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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