Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Re-Post For A Reminder)

Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents http://70.168.46.200/ ^ | September 8 2006 | jveritas

[jveritas]

The Translation below was posted on FR on March 21 2006 but in the light of the Senate intelligence report that said no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda it worth publish it again, of course if the Admin Moderator allows it.

Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation)

Pentagon/FMSO website about Iraq Pre-War Documents ^ | March 21 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 03/21/2006 3:18:32 PM PST by jveritas

In the Pentagon/FMSO document http://70.168.46.200/released/03-20-06/ISGZ-2004-009247.pdf there is a clear report about the relation between Iraq and Bin Laden that dated back to 1995. This document contains a 9 page report from the Iraqi Intelligence Apparatus and it is titled “The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them”. In the report they talk about there meeting with Osama Bin Laden and that Bin Laden in 1995 and how to establish relations with him. In the meeting Bin Laden asked the Iraqis for joint operations with them against the Foreign forces (US military) in the land of Hijaz (Saudia or Saudi Arabia).

I did a partial translation of the report that is related to Osama Bin Laden

(Translation of Part of Page 1)

In the Name of God the Most Merciful and the Most Compassionate.

The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them

(Translation of part of Page 4)

2. The Commission of Reform and Advise

Lead by the Saudi Osama Bin Laden who belongs to a wealthy Saudi family with her roots go back to Hadramoot and connected strongly with the ruling family in Saudi Arabia, and he is one of the leaders of the Arab Afghan who volunteered for Jihad in Afghanistan, and after the expulsion of the Soviets he moved to stay in Sudan in the year 1992 after the arrival of the Islamists to power in Sudan.

And because of his stands against the Saudi Royal family because of the foreign presence inside it, the Saudi authorities made a decision to withdraw his Saudi citizenship, and we moved toward The Comission from our side and through the following:

Translation of page 5

A. During the visit of the Sudanese Dr. Abrahim Al Sanoosi to the country and his meeting with Mr. Uday Saddam Hussein on 13/12/1994 and with the presence of the respectful Sir the Director of the Apparatus he indicated that the opposition person Osama Bin Laden who is staying in Sudan and who was cautious and fears that he will be accused by his opponents that he became an agent for Iraq, is ready to meet with him in Sudan (The results of the meeting were written to the Honorable Presidency according to our letter 872 on 17/12/1994).

B. The approval of the Honorable Presidency was granted to meet with the opposition person Osama Bin Laden by the Apparatus according to letter 128 on 11/1/1995 (attachment 6) and the meting with him was completed by Mr. M.A ex-4th Directory in Sudan and with the presence of the Sudanese Dr. Abrahim AL Sanoosi on 19/2/1995 and a discussion occurred about his organization, and he requested the broadcasting of Sheikh Sleiman AL Awada (who has influence in Saudi Arabia and outside since he is a known and influential religious personality) and dedicate a program for them through the station directed inside the country and make joint operations against the forces of infidels in the land of Hijaz ( the Honorable Presidency has been notified with the details of the meeting according to our letter 370 in 4/3/1995 attachment 7).

Translation of page 6

C. The approval of Mr. President the Leader God protect him was granted to dedicate and program for them through the station directed and we leave to develop the relation and cooperation between the two sides what open in front of it in discussion and agreement through other cooperation doors. The Sudanese side was informed about the approval of the Honorable Presidency above through the representative of the respectful Sir the Director of the Apparatus our ambassador in Khartoom.

D. Due to the latest conditions in Sudan and accusing her harboring of supporting and harboring terrorism it was agreed with the opposition person the Saudi Osama Bin Laden to leave Sudan to another place where he left Khartoom in the month of July 1996 and the information indicate that he is Afghanistan at the present moment. There is stil relation with him through the Sudanese side and we work in the present moment to activate this relation with him through a new channel in light of the current place where he stays.

[Valin]

So, today the Senate says that they have proof that there was NO links between Saddam and AL Qaeda?

Am I the only one that saw that these reports dealt with PRE-WAR American intelligence reports?
This was all over the news, and I say to myself...yeah...so..do they have a point.

[cgbg]

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsi-bility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests,including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, areknown to be in Iraq;

Ah, but you see, Saddam did not personally meet and shake hands and share bread with each and every one. Nor did he personally participate in multi-day briefings on their future foreign terrorist attacks.

Therefore there is no connection between Saddam and AQ.

Now you better understand that or you will get an F on the NEA test coming soon to a school near you. :-(

[Sal]

BTTT

[dervish]

Thank you for this valuable translation.

"in the light of the Senate intelligence report that said no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda.."

This repeated misquoted statement of the Report by MSM of "no connection" misled the public. As your and many other documents show, there were many contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda. The Report concluded much more narrowly that the CIA had found no established "operational cooperation" between AQ and Iraq. That narrow statement is a far cry form "no connection." The Senate Report acknowledges numerous connections. But for their own anti-war, anti-Pres Bush interests the MSM distorted the findings.

http://windsofchange.net/archives/005191.php#al-qaeda

Thank you again.

[T. Buzzard Trueblood]

BTTT!

[avacado]

Have you been inclined to mail these to the 9/11 Commission with the email contacts that I sent you? I think it's time.

This one alone should flip Jamie Gorelick out of her chair and Thomas Kean would probably love to see this translation.

P.S. Ya gotta love that name GORE-lick! LOL!

[T. Buzzard Trueblood]

BTTT

[FlashBack]

"No Connection"?? How in the **** can they say that with a straight face!! I guess it depends on what they're defintion of "NO" is....disgusting!

[beyond the sea]

With all the conspiracy kooks out there, and so many different conspriacy theories about 9/11......... I just wonder what you may think of this:

This one is quite interesting. Much detail.

http://www.valis.cjb.cc/HawksCAFE/070106.html

By the way............ this guy does NOT put 9/11 on this administration at all like all the other "kooks".

Rather he puts together (quite well) a scenario that a group of very devious men (including Maurice Strong, who for years has said that the USA is the most dangerous entity in the world and needs to be destroyed) over a period of decades has worked on ruining America.

Very interest.

[elfman2]

Just scanning the first few paragraphs, it looks like a parody.

[kabar]

In 1999, Saddam Hussein made a public offer to Osama Bin Laden offering him sanctuary and safe haven in Iraq, which was reported by various news outlets. These same outlets have failed to raise their own reports with respect to the war or to the connection between Saddam and Bin Laden.

CNN story

[beyond the sea]

Yes it does look like a parody. Very bizarre.

Unfortunately, it may take a very intelligent person to understand it or take it somewhat serious. Or.......... it may take another type of person to just immediately consider it fantasy or foolishness.

I pinged you because I thought you might have some time to consider this "theory".

I heard this man speak the other night. Having been in the A.S.A. back ij the Vietnam era, and involved in some "interrogations" / truth seeking, I think I know when folks are for real. Maybe not.

I'm rather sure Hawkings is not a nut job, quite the opposite.

[beyond the sea]

Oops......

Unfortunately, it may take a very intelligent person to understand it or take it somewhat seriously.

[elfman2]

”Unfortunately, it may take a very intelligent person to understand it or take it somewhat serious. Or.......... it may take another type of person to just immediately consider it fantasy or foolishness.”

Or intelligent enough to recognize either parody or mental illness. Sorry, but I don’t have time to tell the difference. As a joke, it’s clever to concoct a conspiracy involving conspiracy theorists like Chomsky (if that’s what it’s doing. I didn’t get that far.). If he’s unable to intuitively estimate the probability of that unraveling before execution, it’s mental illness. If a smart sane person reading it takes it seriously, it’s inexperience.

If Hawkins is not a nut and is not joking, he’s cashing out. Google “David Hawkins” and “kook” The first result is of his appearance on “Coast to Coast”. Case closed ;^)

[beyond the sea]

Case closed

.........sad

[beyond the sea]

Or intelligent enough to recognize either parody or mental illness. Sorry, but I don’t have time to tell the difference. As a joke, it’s clever to concoct a conspiracy involving conspiracy theorists like Chomsky (if that’s what it’s doing. I didn’t get that far.)

You say the above (you didn't get that far), then you do your little silly "googling" ... and then you say "case closed".

Your reasoning or logic is very lame.

No need to reply.

Take it easy.

[elfman2]

".........sad "

tree

[beyond the sea]

Google “David Hawkins” and “kook” The first result is of his appearance on “Coast to Coast”. Case closed

Moronic...........

I guess you google "Bush" and "Hitler" then you arrogantly proclaim that G.W. wants to kill 6,000,000 more Jews.

That is stone-*ssed, childish thinking on your part.

You can do better.

[elfman2]

” I guess you google "Bush" and "Hitler" then you arrogantly proclaim that G.W. wants to kill 6,000,000 more Jews. That is stone-*ssed, childish thinking on your part.”

If you get emotional simply because someone doesn’t take conspiracy theories serious, you’ve got bigger problems than anything Chomsky and the NSA may do to you.

If the most relevant thing to the internet that Bush did (making it come up first on Goodle) was his appearance on a show that sells kook books and DVDs about UFO driving big-foots, then yes, I’d write him off too.

I’ve learned to recognize patterns in absurdities like this such as the myth of hyper competence, dramatization over evidence and the inability unwillingness to summarize in the first few sentences.

If you enjoy this stuff, good for you.

[beyond the sea]

If you get emotional simply because someone doesn’t take conspiracy theories serious

This isn' t emotion. Get it?

If you are going to do a silly search as you suggested that you did, then you simply draw the conclusion that you did ("case closed") then you are (acting like) a moron. That is plainly foolish.

Plain and simple.

The best thing for you to do is to admit that you drew a conclusion poorly. That would be the manly thing to do.

I am not holding my breath.

I don't wish to criticize you, but your thinking and reasoning is just plainly sophomoric.