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To: The Cuban

What do you do with your fingernail clippings? Do you mourn every time you spit? People discard small numbers of cells all the time. These embryos were not in the womb and would never develop into people unless placed there. I understand that it's a gray area but I'm pro-life and see nothing wrong with what they did.


5 posted on 09/03/2006 2:09:57 PM PDT by free_at_jsl.com
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To: free_at_jsl.com
Wow..embryos and nail clippings, I sure can see that they are the same!
6 posted on 09/03/2006 2:12:07 PM PDT by svcw
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To: free_at_jsl.com

No you are really not pro-life. You have defined the moment life begins, at implantation. This is not a "small amount of cells" this is a life, who has not yet been implanted in a womb. Life begins at conception.


8 posted on 09/03/2006 2:12:53 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: free_at_jsl.com

My fingernails do not go on to become children. We used to love and protect the unborn.


11 posted on 09/03/2006 2:19:28 PM PDT by sine_nomine (American is a great country: 20 million illegals can't be wrong. So build that wall, Mr. Bush.)
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To: free_at_jsl.com
What do you do with your fingernail clippings? Do you mourn every time you spit? People discard small numbers of cells all the time. These embryos were not in the womb and would never develop into people unless placed there...

I understand your perspective. Even among embryos that do implant, a sizable fraction spontaneously abort with the woman not even aware she was pregnant.. we don't hold women for skipping a period, but not producing a child, as potential "child killers". However, there is a danger that this will cross from screening for a fatal disease to screen for something far more capricious... small height? low intelligence? blue eyes?

On the other hand, my sister went through the heartbreak of having a baby that had brain cancer. She died at 7.5 months, the last 6 weeks of her life spent in intensive care. Could she have been blamed for "pre-screening" if she had had the option? Not an easy choice.

12 posted on 09/03/2006 2:19:58 PM PDT by detroitdarien
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That's the most sane post I've read on one of these threads in a long time. Good for you.


17 posted on 09/03/2006 2:28:09 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: free_at_jsl.com

Maybe the problem is that we let them be in the petri dish at all. I know that is not what people want to hear. But one wrong may not justify leading to another wrong. Just something to ponder.


22 posted on 09/03/2006 2:34:17 PM PDT by therut
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Embryos, even unimplanted ones, are not on the same level as fingernail clippings. These people are judging that their own children who have a defective gene don't deserve to live-- never mind that a defective gene does not necessarily guarantee a specific unhealthy outcome.


55 posted on 09/03/2006 3:13:40 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: free_at_jsl.com
I'm pro-life and see nothing wrong with what they did.

You can't be pro-life while supporting the act of destroying living embryos. Life begins at conception, and it must be protected.

76 posted on 09/03/2006 4:11:26 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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You're kidding right? Maybe you need to go back over the pro-life part.


81 posted on 09/03/2006 4:22:25 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Elites. Educated out of common sense. Deus Volt, the knights and dames are ready.)
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These embryos were not in the womb and would never develop into people unless placed there.

If they are placed in a womb, then aborted a few hours later, were they ever people?

155 posted on 09/03/2006 7:16:31 PM PDT by syriacus (Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
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To: free_at_jsl.com; The Cuban; AliVeritas

THE CODE FOR HUMAN LIFE We were all once a fertilized egg, a blast, once an embryo, once a fetus, human, with our very own Human DNA since conception.  We were once microscopic-Americans. Once we have our own human genetic code; we are metabolizing as a single-cell entity, we are a living human being, therefore; we are a human be-ing that is biologically and scientifically testable.   At that moment we have that inalienable right to: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and property.   

The right to life is considered the most fundamental inalienable right there is.  Therefore, no one can determine when that right begins and no one can give that to you.  You have it when you become a human at conception.  When you get your full human genetic code.  Unmistakable to be matched to any other species, you’re human. 

Because of the intrinsic dignity of each and every person, each individual has certain rights and obligations, which every other individual would have to respect.   This is what’s required in order to live as a human, as the Lord Himself wanted it to be lived. (CCC) Created in the image of the one God and equally endowed with rational souls, all men have the same nature and the same origin. Redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ, all are called to participate in the same divine beatitude: all therefore enjoy an equal dignity.  

Inalienable rights belong to us by our very nature and existence; we are human and have that intrinsic dignity of a human being; we automatically have these intrinsic rights. No human being gave us these rights; they came from God.   So, we humans all owe each other certain inalienable rights which belong to us by our very nature and existence, by the fact that we are human and that we exist.  By the fact that we have the intrinsic dignity of a human being and that we exist, we automatically have these rights because of that intrinsic dignity, period. 


456 posted on 09/14/2006 8:55:05 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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