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Et tu, Colin?
CFP ^ | Sunday, September 3, 2006 | John Burtis

Posted on 09/03/2006 1:13:42 PM PDT by Laverne

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To: prairiebreeze
All due respect, most freepers deduced that the purpose of Wilson's lie was to shift attention and damage Bush at the same time


Then why have there been no followups on Mary McCarthy and the 'Oil-For-Food' scandal etc., since the 'Plamegate' fabrication broke the airwaves if everyone was so aware it was just a diversion from the start?
81 posted on 09/04/2006 12:04:42 AM PDT by AmeriBrit ( What happened to 'Able Danger'? and which Clinton has all the missing FBI files?)
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To: AmeriBrit
Well I will say this hoax did not mislead me. Clintonism had big big follow up plans for we the US in an algore administration with the first senator ruling the senate.

Funny thing happened in November 2000, algore did not win, yet he and his cohort Lieberman tried to prevent the military votes from being counted and took their selective vote counting to the courts.

Then there was the trashing of the White House and insanity reigned through the process of our supposed peaceful presidential transition. Hillry took the presidential 'war-room' down the street from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and set up shop there and that day when this witch took to the Senate floor and asked the Nixionian question holding that New York paper Mr. President what did you know and when did you know it, I knew then these pretenders were not going to make life easy for this nation.

The summer of 2001 was the get Rummy attempt, even in Congress because of his bottom up review.

Then 9/11/01 happened and this nation was dumbfounded, yet even that day these liberals of WDC elected fame and power took serious they were potentially threatened, yet they and their media hounds were mocking the actions of President Bush. Remember how many times afterward we were shown that video of President Bush in that Florida classroom when he was told of the towers being hit and how there was the attempt to portray 'he knew', or belittle his reaction?

No these liberals knew darn well without an algore in the White House that their global equalize all nations policy was going to get rays of disinfectant and their only hope of political survival was to muddy the water.

So along comes a well known of many years, government willing helper Joe Wilson (an old friend of Saddam's) pretending to follow Vice President Cheney's instruction to gather 'intel', actually instead, went on a mission to daub their walled government they spent 8 years in building.

The memo that was leaked out of Rockefeller's office was the 'road map' of what liberals intended on doing and Joe Wilson and his supposed secret woman was their trigger.
82 posted on 09/04/2006 4:39:30 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: AmeriBrit

I guess I don't understand your point or your question.

I said that FREEPERS understood about the diversion early on. (Or at minimum, suspected it.) Same for the blogosphere.

I also said the media, who is in control of how much "follow up" is presented about Mary McCarthy and OFF, has been a willing partner in Wilson's theatre of drama, pushing the story for all it's worth. The Democrats were also happy to play their supporting roles.

The blogosphere has been right on top of any information that has come out subsequently about OFF etc. Check powerline blog or michellemalkin.com for instance.


83 posted on 09/04/2006 4:57:41 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party, aka alQaeda, Western Division.)
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To: AmeriBrit

Thanks for the ping!


84 posted on 09/04/2006 5:06:00 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Laverne
"By lying doggo, Mr. Powell demonstrated his lack of loyalty to the President, yes, but to America, his country, and allowed a circus of enmity rivaling Watergate to engulf the government, causing no end of damage to everyone, high and low, from the President, to Dick Cheney, to Karl Rove, and to Scooter Libby, and to untold others.

In addition, his silence provided the most damaging of vile ammunition to the Democrats, their lickspittles in the mainstream "press," the empty talking heads limning the Democratic echoes found on the likes of CNN, and for the professional baiters and road weary hucksters like Bob Beckel, James Carville, and Eleanor Clift."

You would think a former General that had men under his command has some self-respect about him? He is dipping very low and for a long time now.

85 posted on 09/04/2006 6:22:39 AM PDT by BobS
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To: Just mythoughts

I agree that Rocky is at the bottom of all of this; we need to reread that memo just to put things in context. In fact, I'm quite surrised we haven't seen Team Libby bring up that memo, because it is the roadmap, it discusses Niger, and the leaking of itelligence. I still stand by my speculation that that secret indictment that Jason Leopold swears is an indictment of Rove, is really an indictment of Rockerfeller.


86 posted on 09/04/2006 6:33:08 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Laverne
Slight disagreement about the 'origin' of the memo, it is so Nixonian I tend to think it came out of that former X42s 'war-room'. There was much experience by that former presidency with 'independent/special counsels'. Rockie being on the Intel committee was the vehicle least suspected for liberal conspiracies. The Senator from Kansas, chairman of the committee was literally stunned and angered by what the memo said so he obviously did not see what was going on.

Someplace I read an article that Rockie (Jan. 2002) went with people from the State Department on his trip to Syria, etc., and I will see if I can find it.
87 posted on 09/04/2006 6:40:34 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Yes, I recall Rocky's trip...I first learned about it on FNC when he stated he went (I thought he said by himself) to Syria and other places and told the leaders that the President was going to invade Iraq regardless of any findings. Rocky's big mouth got him in trouble. I think Rocky is also the source for the NYTimes article on NSA eavesdropping on terrorists.


88 posted on 09/04/2006 6:45:26 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: MPJackal

Powell will soon join the democratic party...he is now as "loved" in the GOP as McCain.


89 posted on 09/04/2006 6:46:59 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Laverne

Here is a link to the leaked memo....
still looking for the Syrian trip...
http://www.intelmemo.com/


90 posted on 09/04/2006 6:47:53 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: tillacum; Iowa Granny

ping


91 posted on 09/04/2006 6:52:23 AM PDT by kayak (Praying for MozartLover's son, Jemian's son, all our military, and our President every day!)
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To: MPJackal
I used to have enormous respect for him, even bought his book. But to have allowed the Bush administration to dangle in the wind like that, when all the while he could have stopped it, is nothing short of despicable.

Jag!


92 posted on 09/04/2006 6:52:36 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: Just mythoughts

I followed your link, and am posting the memo here....it is so revealing. Dems documented roadmap to use intelligence to UNDERMINE the War on Terror. This is the memo, whose substance, got little or no attention from the old media:

Transcript of a memo written by a Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff suggesting how to make the greatest gain off of intelligence data leading to the war against Iraq.

We have carefully reviewed our options under the rules and believe we have identified the best approach. Our plan is as follows:

1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard. For example, in addition to the president's State of the Union speech, the chairman has agreed to look at the activities of the Office of the Secretary of Defense as well as Secretary Bolton's office at the State Department. The fact that the chairman supports our investigations into these offices and co-signs our requests for information is helpful and potentially crucial. We don't know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. (Note: we can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.)

2) Assiduously prepare Democratic "additional views" to attach to any interim or final reports the committee may release. Committee rules provide this opportunity and we intend to take full advantage of it. In that regard, we have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims and contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry. The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an independent commission (i.e. the Corzine amendment).

3) Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time-- but we can only do so once. The best time to do so will probably be next year either:

A) After we have already released our additional views on an interim report -- thereby providing as many as three opportunities to make our case to the public: 1) additional views on the interim report; 2) announcement of our independent investigation; and 3) additional views on the final investigation; or

B) Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue. We could attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the "use" of intelligence.

In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter foot-dragging on the part of the majority. For example, the FBI Niger investigation was done solely at the request of the vice chairman; we have independently submitted written questions to DoD; and we are preparing further independent requests for information.

Summary

Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet, we have an important role to play in the revealing the misleading -- if not flagrantly dishonest methods and motives -- of the senior administration officials who made the case for a unilateral, preemptive war. The approach outline above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives and methods.


93 posted on 09/04/2006 6:59:33 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Just mythoughts

And by the way: a long time ago, I called into cspan when Senator Allard was the guest. I specifically asked him about the Rocky memo and asked if any investigation was underway regarding its contents. Senator Allard said that the memo had been referred to the Senate Ethics committee (yes, I know, big whup). However, perhaps the Ethics committee then referred it on to DOJ and there is a continuing investigation underway regarding its contents.


94 posted on 09/04/2006 7:39:58 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Laverne
I incorrectly used the "State Department" according to this article it was

"Syrian President Bashar al-Assad at the Damascus al-Shaab palace on Monday received the US senator J. Rockefeller and members of the accompanying delegation.

The meeting was attended by the deputy premier and foreign minister Farouk al-Shara and the US ambassador in Damascus Theodore Qattouf."



http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020108/2002010817.html


This meeting with Burns happened a few days later
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/011214/2001121413.html
95 posted on 09/04/2006 7:42:15 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Laverne

"Transcript of a memo written by a Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff suggesting how to make the greatest gain off of intelligence data leading to the war against Iraq."

Wonder if there was a 'roving' staffer that penned this memo, could it have been a floater from the Armed Services to the Intel committee?


96 posted on 09/04/2006 7:48:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Laverne

Actually, long ago, Contenetti of the Weekly Standard suggested long ago that the Plame farce was cooked up at the May 2003 Senate Dem Policy Committee Meeting where Wilson was a witness and he was introduced to Kristof. Minutes of that meeting have gone mysteriously missing. Before this meeting, Wilson said nothing about the Mission , admitted Saddam might have WMDs, but simply took Scowcroft's line that sanctions and containment policies whould be continued.


97 posted on 09/04/2006 8:13:22 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Iowa Granny

bump


98 posted on 09/04/2006 8:14:05 AM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: the Real fifi

Another interesting factoid....too bad Fitzy didn't follow the real conspiracy and indict Wilson, et al. Truth will out eventually, it always does.


99 posted on 09/04/2006 8:18:29 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Laverne


(What they do)
(They smile in your face)
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
(They smile in your face)
All the time they want to take your place
The back stabbers (back stabbers)
100 posted on 09/04/2006 8:39:59 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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