[goldstategop]

That's not the point. If you were threatened by imminent death, would you surrender all your beliefs, your human dignity and and your honor in the hope your captors will allow you to live? That my friend is NOT life - that is slavery, where another human being owns you. It is a kind of living death. Patrick Henry had a point where he spoke for the early American revolutionaries: "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death." Some things are worth dying for. But we live in a time, thanks to liberalism, where literally nothing is worth dying for and our enemies reveal the contempt they have for our lack of self-respect. Chestlessness indeed.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

[balls]

Ironically, our enemies agree with you. Personally, I don't want to play their game and believe "we live in a time where literally nothing (especially religious beliefs) is worth dying for"

[quidnunc]

goldstategop wrote: That's not the point. If you were threatened by imminent death, would you surrender all your beliefs, your human dignity and and your honor in the hope your captors will allow you to live? That my friend is NOT life - that is slavery, where another human being owns you. It is a kind of living death. Patrick Henry had a point where he spoke for the early American revolutionaries: "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death." Some things are worth dying for. But we live in a time, thanks to liberalism, where literally nothing is worth dying for and our enemies reveal the contempt they have for our lack of self-respect. Chestlessness indeed.

I don't fault Centanni and Wiig doing what they thought they had to do to save their lives, but I do fault them for not repudiating what they said in no uncertain terms at the first opportunity.

Centanni, at lest, needed to get back to the U.S. to do an at-length interview laying out in unambiguous terms the savagery of the Islamic fascists.

That he hasn't done so leads me to suspect he has sympathy for their cause.

[Guenevere]

well said

[Sam Cree]

"would you surrender all your beliefs, your human dignity and and your honor in the hope your captors will allow you to live?"

They only surrendered their beliefs briefly. Perhaps they can regain their honor and dignity with whatever time is left to them. Meanwhile, their loved ones have them back, which is also something.

One wonders what their attitudes now are toward Islamism and the Pali "cause."

[HungarianGypsy]

If you were threatened by imminent death, would you surrender all your beliefs, your human dignity and and your honor in the hope your captors will allow you to live?

A Christian would have known that had they stood firm, they would die, but would go somewhere where terrorists are not walking around. If they live, they are still surrounded by terrorists.