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The Bob Dylan They Prefer To Believe In
rightwingbob.com ^ | September 1, 2006 | Sean Curnyn

Posted on 09/02/2006 8:59:23 AM PDT by Rocko

Forget the Reuters “fauxtography” scandal (well, don’t actually forget it) — the Dylan world is rocked this morning by a completely unsourced quote published in the Christian Science Monitor, in an article that attempts some kind of overview of Dylan’s career coinciding with the release of Modern Times . (Thanks to RCB for the tip.)

Here it is, in context (bolding mine):

Dylan, who declined to comment for this article, remains, as ever, an enigma. (Three years ago, he called himself “a 62-year-old Jewish atheist.'’) But he’s more open than he’s ever been about his past, even opening himself to interviews for Scorsese. Notice how the quote is captured offhandedly in parentheses, as if to demonstrate that it’s no big deal, and certainly not open to debate. So, in 2003, according to Jim Sullivan and the editors of the Christian Science Monitor, Bob Dylan called himself “a 62-year-old Jewish atheist.”

And somehow we didn’t hear about it until now.

The quote is self-evidently bogus.

It immediately reminded me of a quote attributed to Jerry Wexler — co-producer of Slow Train Coming and Saved — which is referred to in many places (try this Google search).

Scott Marshall refers to it in his book, “Restless Pilgrim“:

Full of zeal, Dylan tried to interest his other producer, Jerry Wexler, in the New Testament. Wexler responded, “I’m a sixty-two-year-old card-carrying Jewish atheist.” According to Wexler, that was the end of the discussion.

Wexler also makes essentially the same statement when re-telling the anecdote in the film “Rolling Thunder and the Gospel Years,” released earlier this year and described (including that quote) in this article. OK: so we’ve established that Wexler said those words, in 1979 — i.e., 27 years ago, and has quoted them repeatedly since. Where does the Christian Science Monitor get off attributing them to Bob Dylan in 2003?? For that matter, where do they get off publishing a quote like that, allegedly from Bob Dylan, without any information regarding to whom he was speaking, or exactly when, or where?

You can ask them.

Contact form here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/contactus.pl

Update: A better route is probably through their “corrections” page, which is at this link. (Again, the original article by Jim Sullivan is here.) Now excuse me while my head explodes.

Addendum 4:09 pm: The Christian Science Monitor is a newspaper with global reach. Even if it weren’t, this kind of unsourced and outrageous quote would be unacceptable. A quote likes this gets out into the ether and soon becomes accepted as fact. The sad truth is that it’s already too late to prevent that, but a prompt correction would at least minimize the damage and confusion it causes. Take, as another example, this so-called quote, which Dylan allegedly gave to a nameless person and which was printed in a gossip column in 1983: “Whoever said I was Christian? Did you see the movie ‘Gandhi?’ Well, like Gandhi, I’m Christian, I’m Jewish, I’m Moslem, I’m a Hindu. I am a humanist!” Anyone who knows Dylan’s stuff, and is familiar with how he speaks on such subjects, should immediately hear a loud buzzer after that, saying “WRONG!” It doesn’t sound remotely like him, and it clashes fundamentally with his body of work. Yet, notwithstanding its complete unsupportability, this so-called quote has been regurgitated in various forms (I recall seeing it in a column by Liz Smith some years back) and is used to confirm what many people inexplicably want to believe about Dylan. This latest Christian Science Monitor nonsense is actually much worse. It’s not a gossip column. It’s a respected international newspaper. The “quote” will inevitably be recycled over and over again in the years to come. Let me be clear: there’s nothing wrong with Jerry Wexler being “a 62-year-old Jewish atheist” or any other kind of atheist if that’s what pleases him, or has pleased him. He has that right and he can still be a good guy. But for the CSM to put that quote into Bob Dylan’s mouth is an extraordinarily pernicious error. To put it briefly: Bob Dylan’s work is infused with the Bible (both the Jewish and Christian parts). To remove God from Dylan’s work, as this implicitly would if it were true, would be to render it incredibly cynical and arguably almost valueless. Fortunately, it’s not true, as Dylan has made crystal clear on too many occasions to list, and as his music continues to make clear. This has to be corrected, to the fullest extent that it can be. Perhaps you can let the Christian Science Monitor know that you care.

Addendum 8:20 pm: Douglas LeBlanc at GetReligon.org has picked up on the story.

Tip to Monitor editors: Wexler will, God willing, turn 90 in January. And at last report he’s still a card-carrying Jewish atheist. A most informative feature would center on which agency distributes the cards, and how often.

Addendum 09/02/2006 9:36 am: Twenty-four hours after being informed that they wrongly attributed a gravely misleading quote to Bob Dylan, the Christian Science Monitor has neither responded nor issued a correction. This is a highly respected, world-class publication — so I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. What a crazy, crazy world.

… Addendum 09/02/2006 10:44 am: Apparently the same Jim Sullivan who wrote the piece in the CSM has his own website at this link. I used the contact form to ask him to provide the source for his Bob Dylan quote.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheists; bobdylan; christianity; christians; christianscience; csm; csmbias; culturewar; dylan; dylansucks; judaism; liberalbigots; lyingliars; makingitup; mediabias; phonyquotes; religion; religiousintolerance
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A phony Bob Dylan quote in the Christian Science Monitor. So, where are their fact-checkers?
1 posted on 09/02/2006 8:59:24 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: Rocko
Much ado about not much.

Dylan's awesome, can't wait to hear the new disc. His last couple no doubt failed to please many here who were fans of his 60's stuff but I loved the dark, moody tone he was getting into.

2 posted on 09/02/2006 9:01:29 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: scott says

Ping to you.


3 posted on 09/02/2006 9:05:37 AM PDT by Rocko ("Before you call me any dirty names you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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To: Darkwolf377
i heard the new album yesterday. you will not be disappointed.
4 posted on 09/02/2006 9:05:51 AM PDT by dep (Boycott New London and Pfizer.)
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To: Rocko
Even if it weren’t, this kind of unsourced and outrageous quote would be unacceptable. A quote likes this gets out into the ether and soon becomes accepted as fact.

Well the anti-religion bigots will probably use it as a hammer. Heh. If they had a hammer...

Reminds me. I was posting on a non-FR thread that cited Einstein's supposed atheism, and I replied with a direct sourced quote in which Einstein wrote "I am not an atheist." Pretty sweet.

5 posted on 09/02/2006 9:07:08 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

A ping to you, too.


6 posted on 09/02/2006 9:07:22 AM PDT by Rocko ("Before you call me any dirty names you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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To: Darkwolf377; All
You can hear the entire album here:

Modern Times stream.

7 posted on 09/02/2006 9:10:19 AM PDT by Rocko ("Before you call me any dirty names you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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To: ThreeYearLurker; endthematrix; Straight Vermonter; GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos; livius; ...

Pingeroo.


8 posted on 09/02/2006 9:10:22 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Rocko

Thanks for that link--checking it out now.


9 posted on 09/02/2006 9:11:20 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: dep
Thread that references the fetishization of the protest movement: Bob Dylan was no Chief in the protest politics of the 1960s--he wasn’t even an Indian
10 posted on 09/02/2006 9:13:10 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Darkwolf377; kjam22
Dylan's awesome, can't wait to hear the new disc.

I picked it up a few days ago and it's awesome. A great band too with a mixture of blues and rock along with touches of early Dylan.

11 posted on 09/02/2006 9:13:19 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: Rocko

thanks for the link............listening now........ GREAT!!!


12 posted on 09/02/2006 9:16:28 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

You're welcome -- I think it's a strong album.


13 posted on 09/02/2006 9:17:42 AM PDT by Rocko ("Before you call me any dirty names you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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To: Cagey; dep; Rocko

Am listening to it as I type, thanks to Rocko's link. Love the LIVE sound--the room has a lot of echo and air in it. I understand why Dylan said last week that he hates the sound of most of the CDs out now. You're rich about the rock/blues tone. Although I love the angsty Bob, too, it's even better to have someone change gears from record to record and strut his stuff. His singing on track two sounds like he's channelling Leon Redbone, something I never would have thought I'd like.


14 posted on 09/02/2006 9:21:07 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Rocko
Bob Dylan's new iPod ad may be the best Apple ad ever.
15 posted on 09/02/2006 9:27:59 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Happy 10th Anniversary FreeRepublic.com - Est. Sept. 23, 1996 - Thanks Jim!)
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To: Darkwolf377; Rocko
Here's a link to a page that has the lyrics for the entire album.

http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/cd/2006/moderntimeslyrics.shtml

DW, I posted that I could sense some Leon Redbone influence on a few of the tracks. Especially in "The Levee's Gonna Break".

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that. Everyone knows who Dylan is but it's rare to run across someone who's heard of Redbone!

I put on a Leon Redbone CD one time when my sister stopped by and she was convinced I had lost my mind. LOL
16 posted on 09/02/2006 9:28:19 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: Darkwolf377

I agree. Bob Dylan's recent stuff is terrific. He's like a fine wine.


17 posted on 09/02/2006 9:32:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Rocko; nuconvert; 185JHP; Dr. Eckleburg; TruthRespecter; fnord; Michael.SF.; pissant; ...
DYLAN PING

18 posted on 09/02/2006 9:34:21 AM PDT by scott says (FReepmail me if you want on Dylan Ping List)
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To: Cagey

Thanks for the link!


19 posted on 09/02/2006 9:34:43 AM PDT by Rocko ("'Fore you call me any dirty names, you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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To: dep

It is one of his best "rockers". I have it on in the car all the time. The first and ninth tracks are the best in my opinion.


20 posted on 09/02/2006 9:34:49 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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