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Russia Hints It Won’t Back Any Penalties Against Iran
NY Times ^ | September 1st, 2006 | STEVEN LEE MYERS

Posted on 09/01/2006 9:43:05 PM PDT by M. Espinola

Russia on Friday cast new doubt on the prospects for the Bush administration’s efforts to punish Iran for refusing to suspend its nuclear program, even as European leaders expressed wariness at moving quickly to impose sanctions.

In Moscow, officials expressed regret that an Aug. 31 deadline had passed without an agreement by Iran to halt its efforts to enrich uranium that could be used for building nuclear weapons, as American and European officials believe Iran intends to do.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ballistic; devillepin; eu; finland; iran; islam; israel; ivanov; larijani; moscow; mullahs; nukes; oil; opec; prodi; putin; solana; tehran; un
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov holds a speech at the Moscow Institute of Foreign Relations September 1st, 2006. Lavrov on Friday called sanctions a 'dead end', casting new doubt on whether the U.N. Security Council can reach a quick consensus on punitive measures against Iran over its nuclear programme. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin (RUSSIA)

1 posted on 09/01/2006 9:43:10 PM PDT by M. Espinola
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To: M. Espinola

The US and Israel should make the issue of "sanctions against Iran" moot.


2 posted on 09/01/2006 9:47:22 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
I agree. The Iranian régime understand only what they have been dishing out for over 25 years.

The only thing I would favour is an Iranian oil blockade preventing all supertankers loaded with either Iranian crude oil or natural gas from exiting the Persian Gulf, thereby preventing the mullahs from funding their version of global Shi'ite jihad through energy related mega-profits.

3 posted on 09/01/2006 10:01:00 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: M. Espinola

The Cold War never really ended. Russia is still our enemy, as is China.

The last fifteen years have been a mere respite while the enemy reconstitutes and becomes stronger in a different way.

Putin is ex-KGB. Russia is corrupt. Russia spun off the Islamic-stan provinces and the faltering Eastern European client states that were draining them, but retains influence over many of them. We paid for the dismantling of their chemical weapons, nuclear weapon waste clean=ups and for their crappy MIR space station and their part of the international space station.

They paid us back by developing a new ICBM missile,sloppy oversight of nuclear warheads in their arsenal,selling weapons to Iraq and Iran, and by countering us against the Arab world.

Russia is invigorating old alliances in the Middle East, where they wish to be a major player.

We can jawbone with them and the EU as much as the Dems want, but the rest of the world will do nothing to stop Iran, figuring we will do the dirty work, and if we get bloodied doing it, like in Iraq, the USA will become weaker and weaker. A no-lose proposition for Russia and the EU.

Sixty years of American taxpayer funds and the American soldier providing peace and security for the world, and no one wants to help, save about five other countries.

Russia is not our friend. China is not our friend. The EU is not our friend. Mexico is not our friend. Canada is out to lunch.More and more of South America is unfriendly to us.

We have Britain, Australia, Italy, Poland, Israel and not much else that we can count on. Even South Korea, the recipient of 56 years of our largesse and protection, wants to play kissy face with North Korea, a terrorist regime.

We can no longer be concerned about gaining the love of the rest of the world. America's protection comes first.


4 posted on 09/01/2006 10:02:36 PM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: M. Espinola

And the organized crime syndicate which is the Russian government surprises everyone exactly how?


5 posted on 09/01/2006 10:04:56 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democrats. French, but more cowardly.)
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To: exit82
We can jawbone with them and the EU as much as the Dems want, but the rest of the world will do nothing to stop Iran,

Yes, I love it how the Dimms always want to "jawbone" but can't seem to "jawbone" Their own senators into:

Voting for Kyoto,

Voting for Hillary care

Voting for Iraqi withdrawal deadline.

Nice "Jawboning". Very effective.

To get back on topic:

Whats to prevent Iran getting a nuke to the Chechin rebels?

6 posted on 09/01/2006 10:10:28 PM PDT by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: M. Espinola; exit82
I agree 100% with exit82 very astute post # 4.

Russia is not our friend. They are playing hard ball games in the ME. They are making a fortune exporting exotic missile technology and arms to Iran, Pakistan, Egypt and Syria. Putin is 'ex-KGB' but as anyone in the spy game knows there are no 'ex-KGB' types. Now they are wealthy oligarchs, wealthy import-export tycoons or Russkie Mafyia.

The KGB is worse now than ever before. They are making billions over here in the U.S. They smuggle gasoline across the country and make a fortune by avoiding state and federal taxes. They do it right out in the open. Nobody even cares.

7 posted on 09/01/2006 10:18:55 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: exit82

Those are accurate comments as far as I am concerned.

What worries me even more, is the trend of U.S. thinking, examples of which can be found on this very forum.

International agreements that see our strategic secrets spread to the four winds, or our sovereignty parcelled off are deemed wise. Allowing our nation to be over-run by foreign nationals, changing this nation forever, is honkey dorey. We allow the Department of Education to expend every effort to corrupt our children, then vote in people again and again who see nothing wrong with this. We talk of taking it to the terrorists, then allow tens of thousands of folks from terrorist states to travel here on student visas.

We see what is taking place in Europe and shudder, not realizing that we are only five to ten years behind it in the devolution of human civilization.

Even some of the Supreme Court members site European precedents to buttress their rulings these days.

I agree that the cold war is still on. I have no problem with that concept, and many people don't. What they don't as easily recognize is that today that war is not an external problem any longer. The main front is inside our nation, and folks are sleepwalking into a buz saw.


8 posted on 09/01/2006 10:37:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: DoughtyOne

*BUMP* ! . . . Kudos to you as well, sir.


9 posted on 09/01/2006 11:09:10 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: ex-Texan

And to you...

Thank you.


10 posted on 09/01/2006 11:13:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: exit82; ex-Texan; DoughtyOne; lawnguy; Mad_Tom_Rackham; Thunder90
I could not agree more, post #4 clearly sums up the geostrategic Russian dilemma confronting US.

Putin's anti-American & anti-Israeli arms list:

Iran,

Syria,

Venezuela,

Each one a proud member of the extended Axis of Evil.

Putin right, shakes hands with Director of the Federal Security Service Nikolai Patrushev at a reception for special forces officers in the Kremlin in Moscow, Thursday, August 31st, 2006. Putin presented state medals for fighting against terrorism in the northern Caucasus. (AP Photo/ITAR-TASS, Dmitry Astakhov, Presidential Press Service)

Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, shakes hands with Spain's King Juan Carlos I during their meeting at the Russian president's vacation residence in a Black Sea resort city of Sochi, Thursday, August 24th, 2006. (APPhoto/ITAR-TASS/Presidential Press Service, Sergei Zhukov)

The Putin Mob

Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev (from L-R), Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov, Russian President Vladimir Putin, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko and Ukraine's Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych walk during their meeting in Sochi August 15th, 2006. REUTERS/Andrey Mosienko/Pool (RUSSIA)

The Boss & #1 Hit-man

Russian President Vladimir Putin (L) talks to Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko during their meeting in Sochi August 15th, 2006. REUTERS/ITAR-TASS

"Mother-Russia, then the oil rich Mid-East, then the whole world!"

Putin looks at a map of Russia. Leaders of six ex-Soviet nations will try to finalize plans for a "customs union" when they meet at Putin's Black Sea coastal residence, newspapers said(AFP/PPS/File/Dmitry Astakhov)

Winston Churchill once described Russia as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."

Putin Gives Aluminum Takeover Green Light

cold war? Russia's Flexed Muscles

(Russian Press) U.S. Senator Lumps Russia In with Iran and Venezuela

Algeria trades oil rights for Russian arms

11 posted on 09/02/2006 1:24:59 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: M. Espinola

I sometimes wonder what this administration expected Russia to do. In a vacuum, Russia would always seek out relations with other nations. Why didn't we court the guy and keep him close? I realize Putin is problematic, but ignoring the guy was a huge mistake IMO.

Here is is meeting with Chavez, China's leadership and other undesirables. Wouldn't it have been better if we had kept the guy busy? We could have developed mutual projects and kept him misdirected.

I realize this sounds simplistic, but it seems like we could have done far better than we have. Why no summits?


12 posted on 09/02/2006 1:34:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I believe previously Putin was able to pull off a public relations coup which even took in President Bush to a degree.

Western leaders seem to have forgotten Putin spent 17 years as a in the Soviet KGB's foreign intelligence wing, rising the rank of lieutenant colonel, plus he requested to be stationed in the most repressive state in the Eastern Bloc, communist East Germany. During the last half of the 1980s one of Lt Col Putin's duties was recruiting people to spy on the West (US/UK).

In 1996 after Putin first served on the Kremlin staff, he became the director of the Federal Security Service, the domestic successor to the KGB, in 1998, and later added duties as head of the Kremlin Security Council.

Russia under Putin remains controlled by Putin's hand picked KGB cronies.

Putin once said he could not read a book by a Soviet defector because "I don't read books by people who have betrayed the Motherland."

Putin's KGB authoritarian cohorts have seized control over Russia's state-owned energy companies (directly or indirectly) and they are currently expanding their empire by taking control of other industries.

Senator McCain has stated the following concerning Putin Russia: "There has been a steady retrogression and a sort of an effort to restore the old Soviet Empire,"

Look at the current global situation. Putin arming Syria & Iran, to battle whom? Israel? Yes and also US. Comrade Putin knows damn well, regardless of the UN's foot-dragging relating to Tehran nuclear weapons race, we will be taking very decisive action against the jihad terrorist exporting Iranian tyrants.

The question is, what shall be Moscow's reaction when her despicable allies in the Axis of Evil quickly collapse, especially OPEC's Iran & Assad's Syria. The corrupt Putin régime has been greatly benefiting from selling advanced weaponry to such well healed OPEC nations as Iran and Venezuela. Putin picked sides.

The final question remains how far is Putin & his Kremlin cronies willing to go to protect their Axis of Evil cash cows?

"It is premature to speak of the end of the arms race,"

Putin is a typical KGB type "If the snow is falling, they will calmly tell you, the sun is shining."

13 posted on 09/02/2006 3:26:50 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: exit82

I agree, the Chi-coms and Russia are not our friends and if we continue to play nice with them we will be buried.


14 posted on 09/02/2006 3:43:39 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: exit82
Reply to post #4

You are right on in your evaluation of Russia. You would think they would be against Islime after the debacle at the school where so many were butchered, but their hatred of The United States trumps all other situations.
15 posted on 09/02/2006 3:52:43 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: lawnguy

You would think that, all things being equal, Iran would be a threat to Russia as well. However, there is much more to be gained by Iran by having Russia as an ally at this time.

Witness the interference over sanctions that Russia is running for Iran against the US right now.

The Iranian mullahs will tolerate the Russian infidels--for now. They are useful.


16 posted on 09/02/2006 5:52:51 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: ex-Texan

Thank you. I am interested in learning more about the gasoline deals by the Russians that you mention. I was not aware of that. Can you tell us more?


17 posted on 09/02/2006 5:54:54 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: DoughtyOne

Your conclusion is well stated. The enemy is internal, rather then the easily identifiable and quantifiable enemy we faced in the Cold War. The enemy is within, and one of our major political parties is part and parcel to it.

Walking into a buzz saw is an apt metaphor.


18 posted on 09/02/2006 5:57:14 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: M. Espinola

Your pictures of Putin clearly show a man with dead eyes--a man without a soul. A man never to be trusted.

Perhaps the President was just trying to be friendly, but I never saw what he did when he looked into Putin's eyes.


19 posted on 09/02/2006 5:59:42 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: M. Espinola

Excellent background and description of Mr. Putin. The die was cast long ago, and is not going to be broken.


20 posted on 09/02/2006 6:02:06 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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