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To: M. Espinola

Spill it Putin lover, place all your cards on the table.

Why are you even on FR? Israeli & American haters have their own hate websites.
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Lover or hater? What if neither?:).

It is nice polemic trick you know so just to accuse the opponent in something shameful then put him on defense.

Russian proverb says: "Prove that you are not a camel":). Mean more you prove more they doubt it:).

Seems for you Israel as the wife of Ceasar is out of suspicions?:)

Defend themselves after years of being rocketed by Iran's proxy terrorists (Hizballah) armed with in part Russkie weapons which sole purpose is to murder Jews.==

The controversy between Arabs and Jews are NOT religious or any ideological. It is the dispute for the LAND.

Each side wants the Palestine land for herself. Jews say that God promised this kland for them. Arabs say otherwise that Allah promised it to them not Jews.

How we nither Jews nor Arabs may choose side if both sides supported by the divine promise?:)


39 posted on 09/04/2006 1:41:08 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: RusIvan; Convert from ECUSA; Salem; sheik yerbouty; ex-Texan; familyop; American in Israel; ...
"Seems for you Israel as the wife of Ceasar is out of suspicions?:)"

Unlike you, I support Israel.

The West must be far more suspicious of Putin's long term agenda. Moscow's arming of proxy terrorist states such as Iran and Syria, who in turn wage their war of terror against Israel, plus American, British and other Coalition forces combating the enemy in Iraq & Afghanistan.

The exposed platoon of Putinistas (of which you belong) continue slithering around FR attempting to spread their obvious disinformation in addition to attacking anyone & everyone who clearly state the facts concerning Putin's deep involvement with the Axis of Evil.

Your deliberate word usage as in "Each side wants the Palestine land for herself.." is arch typical of similar propaganda by blatant Arabists. Attempting to de-legitimize Israel is always the first step from those whose goal is the total destruction of the Jewish state of Israel.

There you go again, the Russian mouth piece speaking as an Arab propagandist:

"The controversy between Arabs and Jews are NOT religious or any ideological. It is the dispute for the LAND."

With only about 8,000 sq. miles of land mass it is roughly two times the size of Rhode Island. Israel is 260 miles at its longest, has a 112-mile coastline, is 60 miles at its widest, and between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest. The nation of Israel is surrounded by twenty-two hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships that are 640 times her size and 60 times her population. There are 13 million Jews in the world (almost 5 million fewer than they were in 1939) and 300 million Arabs.

In the case of anti-Western Islamic (Persian) Iran, a rouge terrorist exporting OPEC state Russian is arming at an alarming rate. What are the "land" issues with Israel? Why would the Kremlin be selling advanced weapons to a jihadist exporting dictatorship whose leadership has publicly sworn to exterminate Israel, and the Jewish people on a worldwide basis?

When members of the "Religion of Peace" slammed jumbo jets into tall New York buildings, filled with thousands of people from all over the world, were those Muslims disputing "land"?


40 posted on 09/04/2006 3:23:54 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: RusIvan
"Seems for you Israel as the wife of Ceasar is out of suspicions?"

I don't understand what you're trying to say with that comment. Throughout all of documented history, Rome (including subgroups of its Eastern Orthodox branch and nearly all other branches) has been antagonistic toward Israel.

Most of the Emperors hated Judaism so much, that they and their associates even tried to revise much of their own history to defame it. Many present-day admirers of the Emperors continue to write myths about ancient individuals like Constantine and Pontius Pilate to give them the appearance of benefactors.
41 posted on 09/04/2006 3:59:24 AM PDT by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: RusIvan
"The controversy between Arabs and Jews are NOT religious or any ideological. It is the dispute for the LAND.

Each side wants the Palestine land for herself. Jews say that God promised this kland for them. Arabs say otherwise that Allah promised it to them not Jews.

How we nither Jews nor Arabs may choose side if both sides supported by the divine promise?:)
"

I am not Jewish and have no authority to answer your question. But I will attempt to do so, having had a background in Christianity and communicating with Christians (also having a background in study of various other religions and knowing of no command for me against answering such questions).

According to Malachi (3:6), G-d does not change. The Torah predates the Quran by a very long time. That is even made apparent in the Quran text.

The Quran also says that Israel belongs to the Jewish people.

The Koran and the Jews-Muslim scholar teaches that the Qur’an says Israel belongs to the Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146808/posts
42 posted on 09/04/2006 4:26:33 AM PDT by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: RusIvan
It is a little strange to me, BTW, that Russia would try essentially the same strategy more than once.

What led to the Six Day War in 1967?


PalestineFacts.org

Military Provocation By Arab Countries and Soviet Disinformation


At the same time, and unknown to the Israelis, the Soviet Union mounted a disinformation campaign pushing Egypt to join Syria against Israel. At that time, the Soviets were providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt. On May 13, 1967 a Soviet parliamentary delegation visited Cairo and informed the Egyptian leaders that Israel had concentrated eleven to thirteen brigades along the Syrian border in preparation for an assault within a few days, with the intention of overthrowing the revolutionary Syrian Government. This was a complete fabrication designed by the Soviets to destabilize the Middle East. Similar false information may have been given to Egypt by the Soviets as early as May 2.

The build up and aggressive intent were denied by Israel. UN Secretary General U Thant reported that UNTSO observers on the Syrian border:
... have verified the absence of troop concentrations and absence of noteworthy military movements on both sides of the [Syrian] line.

Nasser probably correctly interpreted the Soviet information as an indication to him that the time was ripe for an attack on Israel and that he had their backing. With the United States deeply distracted by the War in Vietnam, the Soviets had reason to think there would be no US intervention. Nassar then abandoned his former cautious policy and took the lead for new aggression against Israel. Syria and Iraq eagerly joined Egypt's preparations, increasing the momentum toward war.

43 posted on 09/04/2006 4:46:14 AM PDT by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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