NIST Refutes 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (National Institute of Standards and Technology)

EE Times ^ | 08/30/2006 | George Leopold

[jurroppi1]

Read the bloody report linked in the article that was posted, then report back as to what, exactly, it is that you don't grasp...

[mvpel]

Can you point to any other building that has fallen that was designed in even remotely the same way as the WTC?

Give it up man, the government just isn't that smart.

[M Kehoe]

According to the project manager, Mr. DeMartini all those buildings were designed to withstand major impacts.....including jetliners and I'm sure falling debris.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Yes, to the jetliner question...a DC8, not a 767.

5.56mm

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

It was suspicious that it came down so fast

Could you please summarize your architectural and/or civil engineering credentials, and give a detailed explanation of why it's suspicious. Said explanation should not refer to your own erroneous claims that have been corrected.

Please note that you have opened this particular line of conversation on 9/11 more than once, you have been corrected more than once, but you continue to persistently post the same nonfactual allegations over and over again.

I think it's time you laid your cards on the table. What, specifically, is your agenda?

[DBrow]

I have seen building demolitions. The explosives crew worked for about two weeks drilling columns and planting charges.

I also saw a smokestack demo, and it looked like it just drifted down, until the differential acceleration broke it in half, then the last part looked pretty quick.

I've seen two burning buildings collapse. One moment they are up, then, there is flame in all the windows, then, in a great rush of sparks, the walls buckle and the roof and everything comes down WHOMP and the sound and color and sparks and the wash of flame is beautiful, awesome, and terrifying. This increased my respect for firefighters tremendously, these guys will run into a building on fire.

What speed would you expect a burning building to collapse at? Why?

Did you measure the actual speed of WTC7's fall? Everyone says "too fast!" Well, how fast was it in feet per second, or meters if you prefer. Let's put a number on how fast is too fast before we go any further.

[techcor]

Seen a lot of buildings that have been hit by airplanes and burned with jet fuel for an hour have you? Here's a question for you. If George Bush is so stupid, he would have to have hired experts plan the demolition, right? Why didn't these experts plan the demolition to look like an accident and fall exactly like all the conspiracy theorist experts think it would fall? Why didn't they make the buildings fall to the side like a tree falling like all the "Charlie Sheen" experts expected?

[Frank_Discussion]

Look up and try to understand the concept of annealing. Hint: Metal doesn't need to be molten to bend.

[american spirit]

...and I'm quite sure you've lapped up the conspiracy theory about a little skinny guy in a cave from the ME directing his little band of followers in a successful attack against a military power that spends hundreds of billions per year in defense? Oh yeah, and explain to me just how lucky he was to pick the exact time day and time NORAD had selected to run their "Vigilant Guardian" drill that left the E. Coast so exposed.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Have you ever taken an air compressor nozzle and pointed it into a fire? Or even simply blown into the midst of hot coals?

Not something I've tried... not something I'm going to try! :P

[ChadGore]

Q:How do I get a job that pays big bucks for writing lengthy studies on the obvious?

A: NYT

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

According to the project manager, Mr. DeMartini all those buildings were designed to withstand major impacts.....including jetliners and I'm sure falling debris.

Up to a 727 at most, and they also failed to take the jet fuel into account when they designed the building. They didn't take into consideration having both towers collapsing completely and dumping large amounts of flaming debris onto the building when they designed WTC 7.

Again, what, exactly, is your agenda? Are you merely speaking from ignorance? Or are you speaking from maliciousness?

[american spirit]

Maybe......but from the picture I saw the WTC7 did not seem inordinately damaged.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

The melting point of the steel is approx. 2700 degrees....how hot can diesel fuel burn?

Hot enough to reduce the steel's strength to about 10% of normal.

[Dead Corpse]

The melting point of the steel is approx. 2700 degrees

At 2700 degrees, you have raised the temp of steel to its welding point. This is far beyond the point at which it loses most of its load bearing capacity. Steel can be forge worked as low as a dull red (in the 900 degree) range as it is mostly plastic at even this low of a temp.

[UseYourHead]

...and I'm quite sure you've lapped up the conspiracy theory about a little skinny guy in a cave from the ME directing his little band of followers in a successful attack against a military power that spends hundreds of billions per year in defense? Oh yeah, and explain to me just how lucky he was to pick the exact time day and time NORAD had selected to run their "Vigilant Guardian" drill that left the E. Coast so exposed.

Ok, now you are going to have to take some classes on serendipity and coincidence as explained by Dr. Carl Jung.

[Frank_Discussion]

See post #48. The agena lies therein.

[Dead Corpse]

One of the most favored conspiracy nut photos of WTC7 show a few small fires up to about the 10th floor, but no real damage.

What NONE of them tell you is that those fires have burnt through from the OTHER side of WTC7 that was the actual side facing WTC1 and 2 and took most of the damage.

[ChadGore]

Take your 9/11 denyer BS and shove it.

[shield]

Of course, this is how the towers failed...this also had to be the reason the other buildings surrounding this complex because of those towers falling...created severe weakness in that whole complex...causing the other buildings to go down...

[American Quilter]

A: NYT

Of course! (smacking forehead) How could I have missed that?