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NIST Refutes 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (National Institute of Standards and Technology)
EE Times ^ | 08/30/2006 | George Leopold

Posted on 08/30/2006 12:57:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: hellinahandcart

Nice job. I remember watching this event live as it unfolded in gruesome detail. As I scanned your pictures I spotted one of those people who lept to his death. I was thinking of people like them last night and thinking that this absurd question routine here is an obscene gesture to their martyrdom.


261 posted on 08/31/2006 12:42:03 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.All generalizations are false, including this one.)
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To: american spirit
I can see the possibility of steel getting so hot that weakness does occur causing some type of collapse but the video I've seen shows a simultaneous, symmetrical collapse..... no, I'm not an engineer but how could all the supports fail at the same time.

I am an engineer. Suppose the steel gets hot & soft, as you've conceded, and only ONE support fails. What do think happens to all the other already-weakened members when a large additional load is suddenly applied to them?

BTW, you should be zotted.

262 posted on 08/31/2006 1:32:30 PM PDT by Sloth ('It Takes A Village' is problematic when you're raising your child in Sodom.)
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To: DBrow

You're right.......a lot of info to digest and I'll go over it some more later........just curious, any ideas on how I can find some of the historical activity for just AA and UA 60-90 days prior to 9-11?

I'm real curious what the history of call/put activity shows for both airlines because from what I understand from 9-6&7 CBOE handled for UAL 4744 put options vs. 396 calls and for AA on 9-10 there were 4516 puts vs. 748 calls. As far as I've read there was not any other negative news on either airline that would've prompted put activity several times more than the norm.


263 posted on 08/31/2006 1:53:28 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: hellinahandcart
Who is the Father of Lies, streetpreacher?

Cheney?

264 posted on 08/31/2006 2:23:11 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: american spirit

If there were 4000 put transactions they'd show up in the daily summaries.

As for how to get the data, email them and ask, say that you can't find it on their website. You are going to need more dates than just three, because the put/call ratio bounces around a lot and it's easy to hit a peak.

But I suspect that most of your answer is in the summaries.


265 posted on 08/31/2006 2:23:20 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Sloth

Check out the Weidlinger Associates, Inc. report. Smilowitz was the author. WAI is a well-renowned structural analysis firm that I have personally dealt with.

HHC's husband.


266 posted on 08/31/2006 4:04:27 PM PDT by hellinahandcart (Sauropod owns my ass.)
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To: sauropod

You bad boy...


267 posted on 08/31/2006 4:06:34 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: streetpreacher

Good to know my instincts about you were dead on...poser.


268 posted on 08/31/2006 4:08:58 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart

LOL


269 posted on 08/31/2006 5:41:44 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: American Quilter
The Sun appears to rise but that is only an effect of the Earth's rotation.

Earth is moving in relation to the Sun, not the inverse.

270 posted on 09/02/2006 11:29:27 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: american spirit
...The only way I've ever seen a building fall that fast is by controlled demolition.......

When I started reading your posts, I thought there should have been a /s at the end...Now I see you are serious!

I guess even our FR can have conspiracy theorists/nuts here too.

Have a nice day.

271 posted on 09/05/2006 5:41:11 AM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: streetpreacher

During the Clinton Administration....the year 2000


272 posted on 09/07/2006 9:58:46 PM PDT by tina07 (In Memory of my Father - WWII Army Air Force Veteran)
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To: AnAmericanMother

A relative of mine has had problems with mild schizophrenia and sometimes has paranoid thinking. A couple of years before September 11th, she mentioned to me several times that she had always felt that skyscrapers were unsafe and might fall down. I reassured her that these buildings are carefully engineered and told her that she was just being paranoid. But it turned out that she was not entirely wrong.


273 posted on 09/07/2006 10:11:37 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
Well, they didn't really FALL down - they were KNOCKED down.

Big difference. That might reassure her, but probably not.

274 posted on 09/08/2006 6:19:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: hellinahandcart; Sloth
Bingo!

I've personally dealt with WAI as well, on some highway bridge construction problems. Good outfit.

275 posted on 09/08/2006 6:22:21 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother; sauropod

sauropod is the engineer, not me.

Sometimes he just forgets to log in under his own name before posting. :D


276 posted on 09/08/2006 7:43:32 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
He said it was him, but in the heat of the moment I forgot to substitute . . . and I wasn't sure of the match . . . ( . . . insert mental picture of dinosaur with handcart? . . . )

I'm just a lawyer, but I represented a highway construction company for years, and we spent a lot of time disentangling contract disputes over which subcontractor messed up. We had an oil truck that caught fire under a bridge and they tried to bring our client in claiming the bridge was constructed improperly leading to its collapse . . . so I do know something about what a hot fire will do to structural steel!

277 posted on 09/08/2006 7:49:24 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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