Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani

Human Events ^ | August 30 2006 | John Hawkins

[Spiff]

Thanks for the ping.

And let me add this gasoline to the fire:

Rudy Giuliani:

• Pro-abortion - even opposed banning partial birth murder.
• Anti-2nd Amendment - supports gun grabbing legislation
• Pro-big government - amassed unprecedented debt as Mayor of NYC
• Pro-radical gay agenda
  

  - Supports gay marriage
  - Attended every gay pride parade in NYC while mayor (even one in 1992 that included a NAMBLA contingent of pedophile activists)
  - Has received many awards from radical gay groups
  - Attends and supports many functions and fund-raisers held by radical gay organizations (even did a cross dressing act at Pride Agenda fund-raiser)

• Pro-illegal immigration - said no one in New York City is going to assist the federal government with the enforcement of immigration law, sued Feds in 1997 to be able to ignore immigration law, lost in court, vowed to ignore law anyway
• Endorses liberal Democrat candidates over Republicans - endorsed liberal Dem Mario Cuomo over Republican George Pataki in NY Governor's race
• Ran for NYC Mayor in 1994 on Liberal Party ticket. Appointed Liberal Party State Chair to a Deputy Mayor position. Endorsed 3 times by the Liberal Party for his liberal views.
• Holds many other liberal views
• Republican In Name Only - opposes many major planks of the GOP Platform

Read more about Giuliani's liberal positions here.

Some people want Republicans to ignore his liberalism on almost every issue and, as a distraction, they try to pretend that Rudy is fiscally conservative. Again, his record shows that he isn't fiscally conservative either:

According to an article in The Nation from 2002:

It's now apparent that Giuliani purchased the city's good times partially with borrowed money and left his successor, Mike Bloomberg, holding a bag of debt. New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office. This mismanagement of prosperity is a big part of his legacy. Giuliani left the city's finances in a mess...

Here are some things Giuliani did as Mayor that were NOT anywhere near being fiscally conservative:

• New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office.
  
• Added 25,000 government employees patronage hires to the city's payroll after promising to cut the work force.
  
• Giuliani's borrowing practices increased the city's debt burden by 50 percent.
  
• Partly because of Giuliani, New York City is now the biggest debtor in the nation outside of the federal government with $42 billion in loans outstanding.
  

According to the article from The Nation:

During the 1960s Giuliani was a self-described "Robert Kennedy Democrat." He identified with RFK as a liberal Catholic prosecutor. He volunteered for RFK's 1968 presidential campaign while he was a student at NYU Law School. Giuliani also voted for George McGovern in 1972. During the liberal 1960s, he was a liberal.

But in 1975 Giuliani switched his party registration from Democrat to Independent when he got a job in Gerald Ford's Justice Department, according to his mentor Harold "Ace" Tyler.

On December 8, 1980, Giuliani changed his registration from Independent to Republican. This was one month after Ronald Reagan's election, and just as he was applying for a top job in the Justice Department.

So, to sum that up:

• Liberal Democrat until 1975
• Worked as volunteer for Democrat Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign.
• Voted for liberal George McGovern.
• Liberal Independent from 1975-1980.
• Did not register as a Republican until 1980 and only AFTER Ronald Reagan was elected and because he was applying for a top job in the administration.

He's a liberal. He's not even in the same building as conservative. He's only a Republican because...and this comes from his own mother, Helen Giuliani:

"He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't. He still feels very sorry for the poor."

[Deb]

He also tried to shut down that disgusting, anti-Catholic art exhibit with the elephant dung and vaginas (something never reported) surrounding the Virgin Mary. He was over-ruled by his own city council.

[Jake The Goose]

Rudy kicked Arafat out of Carnegie Hall. Told him he wasn't invited and had him escorted out.

Rudy ignored the race hustlers, cleaned up their neighborhoods and they still despise him. Got the drug dealers and street pedlars out of the streets in front of their business, they still hate him. He did the right thing with no regard for ratings.

Rudy told the arab sheik to stuff his money after 9/11.

Rudy did what he wanted to do. GOOD FOR HIM

The media in their effort to downplay the President's leadership following 9/11 heaped praise on Rudy. Put him on the cover of Time...Man of the Year.

John McCrazy called him America's Mayor. Hah, now McCain is going to have to beat Rudy at the polls. Ha ha ha ha

[garv]

If a candidate cannot arrive at the correct position on abortion there is very little to indicate he will reach the correct position on most others.

Read the article, Rudy is on the wrong side of abortion, including partial-birth abortion which 80% of the population wants banned, gay marriage, gun rights, and immigration. What kind of judicial appointments should we expect? What has Rudy ever done that would demonstrate an ability to lead on a national level?

He did a nice job with cleaning up NYC and showing leadership in a crisis. So what? So did Haley Barbour and he's right on the issues too.

[linda_22003]

And voting on that basis is even dumber than being a one-issue voter.

[Jake The Goose]

Good luck to you.

Remember to go outside once in a while.

[Sabramerican]

You can console yourself the day after Election Day that the President- elect may not be as Conservative on the social issues as you would like but he is a highly competent successful Republican, who will be good on fiscal and many many other issues, will by necessity need to move right for the support of his Party in Congress, and the Nation will be secure under his watch- which should be your number one issue.

Or you can have a Democrat President -elect who will work against all Conservative issues and in addition will not secure the Nation.

That is your choice in 2008 when a there is no Social Conservative candidate who has a shot in hell of winning.

[ElkGroveDan]

Folks, this stuff is far worse than the complaints we leveled about big dumb Arnold when he was running. His policies now put him to the left of 99% of Republicans and about 40% of Democrats. I can't imagine how bad Giuliani can get.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>I'm reminded of that famous "11th Commandment" of Ronald Reagan...

I keep telling people that Ronald Reagan did not create the phrase, 11th Commandment. Instead it came about during his 1966 run for the California Governorship.

"The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since."

Reagan actually broke his own rule when he ran against PresFord for the GOP nomination in 1976. Reagan criticized Ford during the entire primary season, right up through and including the GOP convention. Reagan was a true gentleman and he wanted everyone to like him, and vote for him. However, when the chips were on the table, Reagan was a tough SOB. Ford found out how tough Reagan was in 1976 campaign,just as George Bush found out how tough Reagan was in the 1980 campaign for Prez. Politics isn't for the thin skinned, or the faint of heart. If Giuliani wants to be POTUS, he's gonna have to fight for it.

[Jake The Goose]

My goodness - so I guess we can count on your to stay and home and watch TV on election day?

[ElkGroveDan]

I guess now that trashing McCain has worn itself out, it's on to trashing Guiliani. I guess people won't be happy until they've nominated Foot in the Mouth Allen so we can spend all of 2008 defending his "macaca" slip up...if he even ends up surviving his Senate race now. Good job guys.

If you like Giuliani and McCain there's a party where you can get all fo that crap, all the time.

[Spiff]

NYC was a disaster until he came on board.

And NYC's finances and debt burden were a disaster by time he left office. Some fiscal conservative...

Pro-law enforcement!? That's why he made NYC into a sanctuary city for tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens and refused to comply with Federal law requring local law enforcement to cooperate with the INS in enforcement of the law. He went so far as to sue the Federal Government in an attempt to legally ignore the law and when he lost he refused to comply anyway. So, he cleaned out the bums and hookers from the most visible parts of NYC and enjoyed the national downward trend in crime that preceded his administration. I'm not all that impressed, to say the least.

[Alberta's Child]

The fact that Rudy Giuliani did a marvelous job running New York City has nothing to do with his qualifications to be the Republican candidate for the White House in 2008.

In fact, I'd suggest it's actually the opposite . . . Doing an admirable job in running a radical leftist rat-hole like New York City ought to disqualify him from any consideration for the top of the GOP ticket.

[monkeywrench]

It's "scarey" that some people believe that our most fundamental right, the right to life is important? These are "scarey" people? That's part of the Republican platform. How will the platform look with you liberals rewriting it guilianni style?

He does support partial birth abortion. (AKA 'sucking the brains from a fully formed baby'.) Which a large majority of Americans don't.

You leftists are all cranks, no matter what you call yourselves.

[Jake The Goose]

Come on into the Republican Party everyone..

Now - think the way we do - or get out.

Nice

[Spiff]

Here's a reason I will be opposing Rudy Giuliani:

[garv]

Great reply. Perhaps someday you can formulate a coherent reason to actually vote for someone.

[Jake The Goose]

Ok - I get it , I get it , I get it.

Let me ask one question. If abortion is your holy grail.

WHY HAS GWB not made it his lead issue, every day in every way. Answer: It's not the President role.

Raise your family the right way and abortion will never be issue.

[freespirited]

Yeah we know. But the fact remains that despite all that, an awful lot of FReepers are willing to support Rudy. And almost no one can stand McCain even though he has a high score from the ACU. Speaks volumes if you ask me.

I will say it again. Rudy is the new teflon candidate.

[Liz]

Giuliani oughta be nailed for identity theft-----for trying to profit himself, posing as a conservative.