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Ethanol could leave the world hungry
Cnn.com ^ | 8-16-06 | Lester Brown

Posted on 08/29/2006 5:55:39 AM PDT by Hydroshock

The growing myth that corn is a cure-all for our energy woes is leading us toward a potentially dangerous global fight for food. While crop-based ethanol -the latest craze in alternative energy - promises a guilt-free way to keep our gas tanks full, the reality is that overuse of our agricultural resources could have consequences even more drastic than, say, being deprived of our SUVs. It could leave much of the world hungry.

We are facing an epic competition between the 800 million motorists who want to protect their mobility and the two billion poorest people in the world who simply want to survive. In effect, supermarkets and service stations are now competing for the same resources.

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More about bio-fuels Why Wal-Mart wants to sell ethanol

E85 is available at only a tiny fraction of gas stations. But the giant retailer is poised to change that. (more) Manure mountains to fuel ethanol plant One company's drive to locate domestic sources of energy is taking a turn into the barnyard. (more) Soybeans that give you gas Argentina is a prime market for making and selling renewable biodiesel fuel thanks to cheap land and labor, as well as bumper crops of soybeans. (more)

This year cars, not people, will claim most of the increase in world grain consumption. The problem is simple: It takes a whole lot of agricultural produce to create a modest amount of automotive fuel.

The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol, for instance, could feed one person for a year. If today's entire U.S. grain harvest were converted into fuel for cars, it would still satisfy less than one-sixth of U.S. demand.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; ethanol; growhempfools
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To: from occupied ga
If you really want energy independence ramp up coal synfuel and use more diesels.

That will go over well. Which candidate will run on that? Can poll numbers be negative?
81 posted on 08/29/2006 6:47:32 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: from occupied ga
I just responded to the coal issue a couple of items up the thread.

BTW, one of the ways we can reduce the cost of corn and other crops substantially (in terms of total net hydrocarbon energy consumption) is to build atomic power plants to produce the electricity that fixes vast quantities of atmosphereic hydrogen in high-nitrogen fertilizers.

82 posted on 08/29/2006 6:47:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: steve-b
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/031128.html

It's am oldie, but I can't post the WSJ article because it requires subscription. At any rate, if ethanol was the answer to our energy woes, then WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT IMPOSE A TARRIF ON IMPORTED ETHANOL? (Hint: Think ADM and the food pyramid, 9-11 servings of grain, yeah, right).

83 posted on 08/29/2006 6:48:50 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: sportutegrl

THE WSJ and the EPA ... two really credible sources, NOT!


84 posted on 08/29/2006 6:48:51 AM PDT by rollin (q)
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To: from occupied ga
That is an excellent article. Pimental seems to have done the sums. 54,000 BTU net loss everytime we make a gallon of Ethanol, or about 1.7 to 1 loss ratio. It's not even close.
85 posted on 08/29/2006 6:50:00 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: painter
$1.00 a gallon gas and diesel.

I agree about the coal synfuel - I understand that coal synfuel diesel comes in at about $40 - $45/barrel, but there are some either ardent tree huggers or people who are swilling at the taxpayer trough on this thread who try to shout down alternatives to ethanol.

86 posted on 08/29/2006 6:50:20 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Hydroshock

This is BS. The corn that makes ethanol is still good after the process for feedstock, it's called distillers grain and it's different than the Hybrid Corn that humans consume.


87 posted on 08/29/2006 6:51:15 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Hydroshock


"Ethanol could leave the world hungry"


Burning up the word's food and smoking it out the exhaust. One of the worst of the bird-brained ideas the Liberal useful idiots being used by the Communist world agenda have ever pushed!


88 posted on 08/29/2006 6:51:25 AM PDT by RoadTest (- - - for without victory there is no survival. -Winston Churchill)
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To: muawiyah
besides, coal has many uses beyond energy production and should be husbanded for the indefinite future.

By far and away most coal is burned in generating plants.

89 posted on 08/29/2006 6:52:52 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: from occupied ga

Google on something to the effect of "ddg gasification" and take your pick.


90 posted on 08/29/2006 6:53:29 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Lewite
I know why don't the sorry third world bums start growing their own food stock?

Because the US Government subsidizes grain production in the US and encourages overproduction. This excess is given to third world countries for free in food aid handouts. I have read articles in WSJ about farmers who can't compete against free. Can you?

91 posted on 08/29/2006 6:54:13 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: mcg2000

......ummm ... how much land are we paying farmers NOT to harvest????

Yup, there is plenty of land enrolled in government farm programs now...the farmers could plant fence row to fence row again..we are not going to starve. And neither are the animals.


92 posted on 08/29/2006 6:54:22 AM PDT by Auntie Toots (The GOP is still the best we've got))
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To: Hydroshock
"The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol, for instance, could feed one person for a year."

Who could live a whole year on 9 bushels of corn? That's about what it would take to make 25 gallons of ethanol. The ethanol producer would also get more than 160 pounds of animal feed and some liquid CO2.
93 posted on 08/29/2006 6:54:51 AM PDT by TKDietz (")
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To: RoadTest

The same corn used as ethanol feedstock is also used as food. This author, and you, apparently were unaware of this.


94 posted on 08/29/2006 6:55:31 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: from occupied ga
Yes, that is unfortunately true.

We should also be husbanding our limited oil resources as well.

These things are much more valuable as manufactured items than as the waste byproducts of incomplete combustion.

95 posted on 08/29/2006 6:56:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sportutegrl
TARRIF ON IMPORTED ETHANOL?

If you are talking about importing ethanol made using sugar, you will pay a tariff because it involves sugar. Big Sugar is pretty twisted, even compared to Big Corn...both of which make Big Oil look like choir boys.
96 posted on 08/29/2006 6:56:16 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: steve-b; P-40

The water that is used to produce the crops and the fuel and fertilizer used to plant and maintain the crops is not worth the small energy gain; we'll pay for it in the future.


97 posted on 08/29/2006 6:56:39 AM PDT by Loud Mime (An undefeated enemy is still an enemy.......war has a purpose.)
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To: xcamel
I'm thinking cattails, broom corn, and reedgrass first.

There goes the dried flower arrangement.

98 posted on 08/29/2006 6:56:45 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: hlmencken3
I believe it takes more water to refine oil into a gallon of gasoline than to make a gallon of ethanol.

I live near where they are looking at making an ethanol plant and the water usage is the primary topic of debate. Is really my only source of information and could be specific to this location I suppose. Ethanol manufacture will also use water if the crop used to produce it has to be irrigated.

99 posted on 08/29/2006 6:56:45 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: 50sDad

No - this is all part of the wall-to-wall, 24/7, constant barrage of all bad, all the time so the exhausted American voter will finally vote the "good" guys back into power.


100 posted on 08/29/2006 6:57:12 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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