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Second Controller Added To Tower For Weekend Overnight Shift At Blue Grass Airport
WLEX-TV ^ | August 28, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/28/2006 5:45:49 PM PDT by CedarDave

The FAA has added a second controller to the weekend overnight shift at Bluegrass Airport, following the crash of Flight 5191 Sunday.

Only one controller was in the tower early Sunday morning when the CRJ100 attempted to take off a runaway too short for it to gain enough speed to become airborne.

FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown declined to give a reason for the decision.

Brown says two controllers are in the tower on weekdays but only one controller was scheduled for the weekend overnight shift because traffic was significantly lighter.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: bluegrassairport; comair; crash; delta; dl5191; kentucky; lex; lexington; planecrash
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1 posted on 08/28/2006 5:45:50 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

How does a Jet fly for 1 mile after take off and NOT be airborne?

More correct to say that the runway was too short for the aircraft to build airspeed sufficient to climb to an altitude soon enough to avoid the hill it crashed into, but the aircraft WAS airborne.


2 posted on 08/28/2006 5:50:12 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: CedarDave

One controller. What happens if he needs to use the restroom during his shift? Oh.


3 posted on 08/28/2006 5:52:55 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CedarDave

Classic 'Closing the barn door after the horses escape'


4 posted on 08/28/2006 6:09:03 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Anything spoken or written by Winston Churchill.)
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To: Carl LaFong

Could be seen as a tacit admission of ATC failure in this situation (not due to an individual; just not properly staffed for a commercial airport). Raw meat for the attorneys (though not sure who can be sued here -- can't sue the FAA can they?).


5 posted on 08/28/2006 6:13:36 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: American_Centurion

I understand he went through the fence at the end of the runway, so he wasn't airborne in any real sense, even if his wheels tehnically got off the ground briefly. It probably took half a mile for the plane to stop from say 150mph.


6 posted on 08/28/2006 6:50:08 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: CedarDave

The news indicated that ATC and the pilot discussed only the longer runway during taxi and takeoff clearances. So it's hard to find fault with ATC.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 6:52:50 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

There was quite a bit of discussion on the thread yesterday that a second controller might have allowed one of the two to notice the plane was lined up on the wrong runway. I would doubt that it would have made any difference as it was dark and it may have been difficult to see the plane's orientation some distance from the tower.

However, at some point the system must have confidence that the pilots know what they are doing. Again, it is their responsibility to follow checklists and for the two pilots to check each others actions during takeoff and landings.


8 posted on 08/28/2006 7:03:26 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: expatpat

Ok, that's definitely not airborne. My misunderstanding, thank you.


9 posted on 08/28/2006 7:20:30 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: CedarDave

Does Bluegrass Airport have ground radar indicating to the ATC the plane's exact ground location? I have not read if it has this?


10 posted on 08/28/2006 7:26:37 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: expatpat
The news indicated that ATC and the pilot discussed only the longer runway during taxi and takeoff clearances. So it's hard to find fault with ATC.

I've read that the runways themselves were poorly marked, and that in their X configuration, both the long and short runways shared the same taxi ways. Houston's Hobby has runways that are in an X configuration, and the flightplans clearly state to "check your compass heading before takeoff at the end of the runway".

I'm guessing both the ATC and the pilots were at fault. If the pilots had done a compass reading, they might have realized they were on the wrong runway.

11 posted on 08/28/2006 7:30:40 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: kinoxi

Goes in a bucket?


12 posted on 08/28/2006 7:31:53 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: CedarDave

There is absolutely no excuse for this mistake. If I were an instructor, I would be upset if a student of mine made such an error.

First of all, the pilot has a responsibility to know the layout of the airport runway and taxiway system.

Runways all have large painted number designations at each end.

All runway numbers approximately equal the magnetic heading of the runway itself. For instance Runway 22 would have a heading of approximately 220 degrees and 26 would be approximately 260 degrees. The pilot should confirm that his aircraft heading equals the runway he been cleared for takeoff on.

The guy in the tower should have been able to see which runway the plane was lined up on, even in the dark. He was probably not paying attention because there was not likely any other traffic around.

But in the end, it is the pilot's responsibility to take off (or land) on the proper runway. So sad to lose all these lives on such a dumb mistake.


13 posted on 08/28/2006 7:46:05 PM PDT by Oldhunk
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To: American_Centurion
How does a Jet fly for 1 mile after take off and NOT be airborne?

At 130 knots, it may have seemed like it was airborne, but it wasn't.
14 posted on 08/28/2006 7:47:26 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: kinoxi
Been there, done that...one time so far in my career. Worked a whole 8 hour shift by myself, working approach/departure, tower, and ground control combined. Granted, it was a Friday night/Saturday morning, and traffic was almost nil.

Oh, and I held it. Seriously. :-)

15 posted on 08/28/2006 7:48:33 PM PDT by Sting 11
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To: Oldhunk
Runways all have large painted number designations at each end.

Not to make excuses, but there is no such thing as standard taxiway or runway markings. The FAA let's local airport authorities dictate how they will impliment signs.
16 posted on 08/28/2006 7:48:36 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: American_Centurion

Did you see the pic of the clipped fence and trees at the end of the runway?

Perhaps they were sort of airborne for a time, but it wasn't optimal or sustainable.

I saw a guy in a high-speed chase the other day. He went airborne, too, briefly, before flying into the trees at the side of the road.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:12 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Sting 11
Wow. I take it your not a coffee drinker, or your plastic man.
:)
18 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:39 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CedarDave

Forgot to mention that the real irony might be that the guy who survived could well have been the guy flying the airplane. I think the pilot and copilot usually alternate flying each leg.


19 posted on 08/28/2006 7:56:48 PM PDT by Oldhunk
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To: kinoxi
I'm not a coffee drinker. I'm only 26, so I'm just learning to like the stuff.

Typically, if a guy/gal really needs to go on one of these shifts, they'll wait until there's no current traffic and nothing immediately pending, and hurry up and go. You're not supposed to leave your post, but we're really left with no choice.

Personally, I think "one-man mids", as they're called, are dangerous and shouldn't be allowed. What if you get sick or hurt?

20 posted on 08/28/2006 7:57:41 PM PDT by Sting 11
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