“Kim Jong Il Retire… South Korea Seize North Korea” say Chinese Internet Users

The Daily NK ^ | [ 2006-08-28 15:42 ] | By Planning Team of the DailyNK

[Jet Jaguar]

Recently, Chinese internet users are raising criticism on the North Korean regime.

Inside photos of North Korea have been successively posted on Chinese websites (DailyNK report 23rd, Aug 2006) criticizing the Kim Jong Il regime with remarks ‘North Korea must instigate reform’ and ‘What generation is this that they are still starving?’

On 25th August, the DailyNK searched internet sites ‘Photofans’ and ‘North Korea Today.’ These sites exposed inside photos of North Korea and were full of criticism such as “Two Kims should retire from their position and South Korea seize North Korea” “Overthrow the government like Saddam Hussein.”

Particularly since the missile launch last July 5th, Chinese Internet users have been showing greater interest. In addition crime amongst defectors around the North Korea-China border and home raids by North Korean commanding officers on Chinese soil have incited aversion towards the North Korean regime amidst Chinese people.

Chinese website ‘Photofans’ is a site powered by Chinese photo enthusiasts and for a while has been publicizing inside photos of North Korea.

Recentlky ‘Photofans’ exposed photos of North Korean soldiers going about their daily lives, taken by sightseers touring on the Yalu River. On this website, hundreds of photos taken by the sightseers and other Chinese tourists visiting North Korea are being posted continuously.

The photos below were posted by a person with an ID ‘Fat lamb.’ Comments made by internet users give an indication of the response of Chinese internet users towards the North Korean government.

On the website 'North Korea Today' some internet users have made sympathetic remarks such as “When will the North Korean people experience a shining day” and “Two Kims should retire from their position and South Korea seize North Korea” as well as more aggressive remarks such as “Kim Jong Il who is dragging his people into turmoil should undoubtedly retire. He should be overthrown like Saddam Hussein.” There was also a comment “Marxist is not at fault. It is all because of Kim Jong Il’s distortion.”

[Jet Jaguar]

I'm sure that would be frowned upon by the minders.

[Proud_USA_Republican]

You have millions of people living in NK who have been brainwashed by Communism for decades.

It would take many more decades to deprogram all of them, and the financial hit would be way bigger than what it cost western germany to incorporate eastern Germany back into the mix. Many of the east germans are lazy from communism and still expect the government to take care of them, even if they don't want to work.
This wouldn't be a cake walk.

[RightWhale]

The young ones will be lured into industry by decent pay. The old ones will stay home and receive a Gov't check monthly like they do now. A decent income will do a lot to overcome any tendency to develop classes in society. A construction boom should commence within a few years and they will never look back. Even China will appreciate having an industrious and prosperous country on their border instead of the basket case they have now.

[RightWhale]

Koreans have had centuries of adversity to deal with. They can do this quite well. Another factor is that they are relatives of people in S Kor and Japan as well as China. The family ties will help cut the communist chains.

[kinoxi]

It sounds good in theory. The reality of integrating and/or taking over will most likely result in less than peaceful results in my opinion.

[RightWhale]

That is the elephant in the living room. N Kor has millions in the military, 30,000 artillery tubes, and some officers who might want to try something. They can make quite a mess.

[kinoxi]

I think the regime will be far easier to topple in comparison to assimilation with the rest of the world. There is no coherent social fabric or economy. The planned multi generational dependence on an oppressive regime cannot be underestimated either.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Sightseers wanting to know more about mysterious North Korea purposely float their boat near the banks of Daean, Shinuiju. Moreover, the tourists wave their hands at the North Korean people. However people turn their backs, show grimace expressions and display no signs of hospitality. As usual, tourists flash their cameras toward the people.

North Korean authorities strongly warn soldiers that "Amidst the tourists may be South Korean agents for national security reporting from Dandong. So, you must never receive any money or goods from them." Furthermore, soldiers are strongly urged to avoid their photos being taken.

Unnoticeably smoke comes out from the chimney of a Shinuiju chemical textile factory on the banks of the Yalu River. Unknown goods are being loaded into cars.

?Security cars assigned to the border. Visible is the Russian car which is delegated to female officials.

A soldier and girl standing on a North Korean fishing boat deck. Behind are North Korean people who have come to the wharf by bicycle to fish for some gobies.

The border security guards standing on the boat deck, turn their backs on the touring boat. As the boat draws nearer, the guards purposely turn their backs to avoid the faces of the tourists. When they realize that photos are being taken, guards often raise their fists or yell abusive language.

Border security guards eating on a boat deck. Visible are Chinese beer bottles.

The soldier appears to be standing in a checkpoint. Whether this post is still being used is unknown, however there is no window. Tourists who approach the surroundings of this post take the opportunity to enthusiastically capture photos of soldiers and people who seem absent-minded. Henceforth, these photos are then posted on individual websites.

A bus in Pyongyang

A quiet Pyongyang road

[RightWhale]

Assuming a military confrontation can be avoided, then the next step would be getting the industrial and mineral lands leased out to development corporations and try to hire as many of the N Kors as want a regular job as possible. The rest of the social structure, including the farms will have to be continued for a couple generations simply becaus that's what the people know. We might look at recent experience in Iraq and see if we have learned anything there.

[Flash Bazbeaux]

""There was also a comment “Marxist is not at fault. It is all because of Kim Jong Il’s distortion.”"

Once again, we see that Communism / Marxism / Socialism really does work, it just hasn't been done right where it's been tried."

Well, it's been tried every which way but loose. However, if I were the Chinese Gov.t, I would see criticism of N. Korea's government as a thinly disguised attack on the Chinese Gov.t. The posters may have the "it's not Marx's fault" disclaimer as sort of a cover.

[kinoxi]

I hesitate to compare Iraq to N Korea. The societies, economic structures,religions,geography, etc. are all different. Lessons will be learned from Iraq but are probably useless(nonmilitary) outside the middle east.

The natural reaction of the N Koreans to anyone in charge of their land, minerals, laws, etc will be resentment. If money could be thrown at this problem Japan would have done it years ago.

[Physicist]

If the Chinese were smart, they'd take out Li'l Kim and assume control of North Korea. They'd win a lot of good will for taking out an international menace, especially in South Korea. Not coincidentally, they'd be in a position to bring about Korean unification under terms most favorable to themselves.

[RightWhale]

Oddly, communism has worked where it was invented and first applied: right here in America in a handful of religious communities. Two or three worked more than a few years. A small community of up to 5000 no more, usually much less, with religious intent, can and has worked under this despised system. It was never expected to work in a secular society and not on such a scale as an entire modern country of millions. Some people, Marx and others, lacked the most basic clue about this and so we had national tragedy after national tragedy throughout the 20th century and even now in France and the leftover remnants in N Kor and China. It's almost like watching a comedy with this Communist movement in S America, tragic for them of course.

[RightWhale]

That's why I said lease. N Kor would have a great deal of trouble adjusting to actual foreign ownership of their resources, but leasing is something they can do.

[kinoxi]

If their bosses aren't N. Korean they will know it and resent it. They are horribly brainwashed, not stupid. There are many aspects to this coerced cult that has been mandated on the people of N Korea. Hopefully the internal power base will collapse and the assimilation can be gradual.

[MPJackal]

"Korea united would do very well."

Not even the South Korean Government believes that. I doubt the Souths economy could stand the strain. It would be far worse than West Germany absorbing East Germany.

It would take a slow transition to make it work, and I don't think Kimmi will go for that.

[shield]

What generation is this that they are still starving?’

LOOK AT THE CUBANS...they are starving too.

[Jet Jaguar]

I dunno.

Cubans reduced to eating tree bark?

[chilepepper]

Cubans reduced to eating tree bark?

and a very healthy diet it is indeed, lots of fiber and roughage and low in calories too...

[shield]

Land of rum and rumba blighted by communism

"TWO years ago, I was given what quickly became an awful assignment. I was told to visit Cuba. Oh sure, like everybody I thought: dark rum, hot nights, fat cigars, the rumba. The reality was very different. Cuba was wretched. Every day the photographer and I encountered distressing scenes of women, children and ageing Cubans living in terrible poverty.

Walking down the streets of Old Havana, we saw a very old, wrinkled woman sitting in the gutter. She was wearing a skirt with multicoloured petticoats. She had bright red lipstick and her two front teeth were missing. She was smiling a crooked smile and sucking on a long Cuban cigar.

The old woman - a grandmother, probably - was sitting there not because she was a happy little communist, as Fidel Castro would have it, not because she was thrilled with his socialist revolution, but because she was dirt-poor and hungry."