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Government, not big oil, is the big beneficiary of high oil prices
Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs ^ | August 22, 2006 | Jonathan Williams

Posted on 08/28/2006 8:59:03 AM PDT by theBuckwheat

Oklahoma’s Golden Opportunity

With gasoline prices exceeding $3 per gallon throughout much of the United States, motorists are feeling a considerable amount of pain at the pump. Many elected officials are feeling pressure from their constituents to “do something”...

“Doing something” in this case usually means railing against the evils of “Big Oil.” Of course, worldwide supply and demand are the primary determinants of gasoline prices, but that does not stop the wild allegations — often centered on accusations of “price gouging” — against oil companies every time they raise prices or announce a quarterly profit. Accusations of gouging then typically lead to calls for government intervention through investigations and punitive taxes on the industry, such as a levy on windfall profits.

Government’s Oil Profits

Always overlooked in this scenario is the fact that government coffers benefit from high energy prices just as much as the oil industry.

According to Department of Energy data from 1977 to 2004, federal and state governments extracted $397 billion by taxing the profits of the largest oil companies and an additional $1.1 trillion in taxes at the pump. In today's dollars, that's $2.2 trillion — enough to buy a Toyota Prius for every household in the nation.

In fact, oil companies paid three times more in taxes than they earned in profits during those 28 years.[1] Remarkably, there are some in this country who think “big oil” is not paying its fair share and that a windfall profits tax is needed to punish the oil industry for their “excessive” profits. Politicians who feel the pressure to “do something” are likely to ignore these facts, however.

The idea that raising taxes on oil companies would somehow lower the prices of gasoline at the pump is completely nonsensical. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at ocpathink.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; energy; governmentsucks; greedygovernment; libery; obscenegovernment; obscenetaxes; oil; oilandgreed; oilprofits; taxes; taxesandgreed; taxesongassuck; taxessuck
I would also add the question: Who and what causes are advanced when we draw lines on the map outlawing drilling for oil and gas on vast areas of the US and then proceed to state that we "depend" on foreign oil?
1 posted on 08/28/2006 8:59:05 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

--good post--


2 posted on 08/28/2006 9:07:04 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: theBuckwheat
I would also add the question: Who and what causes are advanced when we draw lines on the map outlawing drilling for oil and gas on vast areas of the US and then proceed to state that we "depend" on foreign oil?

We can start with Al Gore and his "carbon neutral lifestyle" or lack thereof.
http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/Articles/Gore%20Isnt%20Quite%20as%20Green.html

From the article: Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some time. So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.

Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.

And that's just one name. If we had real journalists who were interested in the truth, they would ask Sen Kennedy about his oil stocks.
3 posted on 08/28/2006 9:18:24 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: theBuckwheat
Who and what causes are advanced when we draw lines on the map outlawing drilling for oil and gas on vast areas of the US


4 posted on 08/28/2006 9:28:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: theBuckwheat
[ Government, not big oil, is the big beneficiary of high oil prices ]

Exactly... Government(local,state or fed) taxing ANY ENERGY is obscene.. Raises the prices of literally everything.. and is a drag on the economy..

Odds of a remedy is remote.. On the otherhand could be a beautiful platform for any budding politician... make ANY ENERGY TAXES ILLEGAL...

5 posted on 08/28/2006 10:07:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: theBuckwheat

"Government, not big oil, is the big beneficiary of high oil prices."

I agree 100%. The problem I have with the oil companies is the lack of inspections and maintence they do on their equipment.


6 posted on 08/28/2006 3:17:59 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: theBuckwheat; ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; PhilWill; kevkrom; ...
In fact, oil companies paid three times more in taxes than they earned in profits during those 28 years.

This statement is not entirely correct. oil companies were assessed three times more in taxes than they earned in profits but, like any corporation, they passed the cost of that tax onto the consumer in the form of higher prices.

1] Remarkably, there are some in this country who think “big oil” is not paying its fair share and that a windfall profits tax is needed to punish the oil industry for their “excessive” profits.

A windfall profit tax will punish the consumer. The corporations will simply raise Thor prices to cover the cost of the new tax.

The question then becomes how can prices be lowered? The answer, at least in part, is already before Congress. A bill currently before the House The Fair Tax Act H.R.25 and the Senate version(S.25) will replace our current federal income tax with a Consumption/National Retail Sales tax.

How can this lower prices? Currently any good is taxed at each stage of production. These hidden/embedded taxes known as value added taxes(VATS) raise the cost of all goods. The Fair Tax Act will abolish business to business taxesFair Tax FAQ#2. Companies will be forced to pass on the cost savings in the form of lower prices due to competition.

How can The Fair Tax help on the state level? States can choose to conform to The Fair Tax Fair Tax FAQ#25. By doing so states will realize The Fair Tax will have a much broader and more stable tax base than the income tax because the tax will be collected with every purchase. This is true even when people are unemployed. No tax can be collected from a person's income who is not working. The broader tax base will result in states raising the same amount of state sales tax with a lower tax rate. Administrative costs will be considerably lower. Only one additional line will be necessary on the state sales tax form to collect the federal consumption tax. Conforming states will receive will be paid a fee for collecting the tax. Visit theAmericans For Fair Taxation website for more information.

7 posted on 08/28/2006 5:14:17 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: theBuckwheat
Good question.
To the enviroweenies out there: environmentally wouldn't it make much more sense and use much less energy to drill here instead of carting oil half way around the world? How is hauling a product over half the globe efficient or smart? Not that libs ever use common sense!
8 posted on 08/28/2006 5:54:48 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: theBuckwheat

Great find!! Thanks for posting. Too bad only we Freepers will see it.


9 posted on 08/28/2006 6:28:45 PM PDT by groanup (Faith, hope, charity. Industry, thrift, intellect. But the truly gifted man knows how to plan ahe)
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To: Man50D

bump and thanks for the ping.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 6:30:30 PM PDT by groanup (Faith, hope, charity. Industry, thrift, intellect. But the truly gifted man knows how to plan ahe)
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To: theBuckwheat

Actually it's both: record profits and record taxes.


11 posted on 08/28/2006 6:31:39 PM PDT by osideplanner
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To: Man50D
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This statement is not entirely correct. oil companies were assessed three times more in taxes than they earned in profits but, like any corporation, they passed the cost of that tax onto the consumer in the form of higher prices.
<<

Yes, this is the real truth about corporations. The money to pay any taxes comes either from the customer through prices that are higher than otherwise, the shareholder in the form of an assessment, by depleting corporate assets, or by the corporation borrowing from some third party.

If I was king, and I am unlikely to ever be, I would end this fiction and just require corporations to pass profits directly to each shareholder in proportion to the number of shares. I would also abolish the income tax, but not to worry as each shareholder would pay his Fair Tax share as he conducted his personal business.
12 posted on 08/28/2006 7:20:06 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: groanup
Thank you. The link came from a blog entry from the Center for Freedom and Prosperity:

see:
http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/blog/blog.shtml
13 posted on 08/28/2006 7:22:08 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: JOE43270

How many and which Oil Companies have you worked for?

(Just want to know from where do you derive your expertise from)

TT


14 posted on 08/28/2006 9:26:44 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: theBuckwheat

Buckwheat I nominate you as "KING OF AMERICA"

That would be North America, not including Canada or Mexico.

just the USA

Crying shame we don't have Kings anymore... you'd make a good one.

TT


15 posted on 08/28/2006 9:34:06 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: JOE43270

Been seeing a lot of exploding gas pumps in your area, have you?


16 posted on 08/29/2006 10:12:19 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: theBuckwheat

Alaska's Gummint is funded 90% on oil revenues. Even with the partial shutdown at Prudhoe, Alaska expects a surplus of $6 million this year. Or this week. One of those.


17 posted on 08/29/2006 10:14:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: TexasTransplant

I want you to understand that I don't have any expertise. I know about the pipeline in Alaska and the electric companies that haven't built anything in years. I work in wastewater treatment plants and you can laugh if you want. The lifetime of a wastewater plant is twenty years and I watch the maintenence that never goes on in them. If you work in the oil industry I really do hope you do more perodic maintence than gets done where I work because the customers suffer with what I witness. I know things can still break down though if things are done perodically the service is better for the people recieving the service or the product. If you actually work in the oil industry I hope you will understand how I feel.
And if the oil industry does more maintence than my industry does thats great.


18 posted on 08/29/2006 3:11:52 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: JOE43270

Business is Business, is your plant a City, County or State facility?

Public utilities are front line fleecers of the Tax Payer, they do not have to make a profit, when they fail they float a bond.

Apples and Oranges

TT


19 posted on 08/29/2006 3:27:56 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant

You won't get an arguement out of on that. The frustration is terrible though.


20 posted on 08/29/2006 3:44:05 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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