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America's Taliban strikes again
Arkansas News Bureau ^ | 28 August 2006 | John Brummett

Posted on 08/28/2006 6:31:13 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The Holocaust wasn't Hitler's fault. Darwin made him do it. Complicit as well are any who buy into the scientific theory that modern man evolved from lower animal forms.

That's the latest lunacy from one of our more fanatical right-wing American Christian television outfits, the Coral Ridge Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

Coral Ridge espouses that America is not a free-religion nation, but a Christian one. It argues there should be no separation of church and state.

Thus it's America's Taliban, America's Shiite theocracy.

It certainly has a propensity for explaining or excusing Hitler. A few years ago it brought in a conference speaker to argue that American abortion was a more horrible atrocity than the Holocaust.

One year it disinvited Cal Thomas as a conference speaker after Brother Cal got too liberal. You're thinking I must be kidding. But I kid you not. Brother Cal had displayed the utter audacity to co-author a book contending that American Christian conservatives ought to worry a little more about spreading the gospel from the bottom of the culture up rather than from the top of politics down.

Now this: Coral Ridge is airing a couple of cable installments of a "documentary," called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy," that seek to make a case that, without Darwin, there could have been no Hitler.

Authoritative sources for the program include no less than columnist Ann Coulter, noted scientist, who says she is outraged that she didn't get instructed in Darwin's effective creation of Hitler when she was in school. She says she has since come to understand that Hitler was merely a Darwinist trying, by extermination of a group of people he considered inferior because of their religion and heritage, to "hurry along" the natural survival of the Aryan fittest.

Also quoted is Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Project, who tells the Anti-Defamation League that his comments were used out of context and that he is "absolutely appalled" by the "utterly misguided and inflammatory" premise of Coral Ridge's report.

The documentary's theme is really quite simple: Darwin propounded the theory of evolution. Hitler came along and believed the theory. Hitler killed Jews. So, blame Darwin for the Holocaust. Blame, too, all others who agree with or advance Darwin's theory. Get back to God and Adam and Eve and all will be right again with the world.

"To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler," said Dr. D. James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries. "The legacy of Charles Darwin is millions of deaths."

Obviously, the theme is breath-taking nonsense. You can't equate academic theory with murderous practice. You can't equate a thinker and a madman, or science and crime.

And you can't ever blame one man for another's actions. That once was a proud conservative precept. In a different context, you'll no doubt find Coral Ridge fervently preaching personal responsibility. Except, apparently, for Adolf Hitler, to whom these religious kooks issue a pass. Ol' Adolf, it seems, just fell in with a bad crowd.

By Coral Ridge's premise, Mohammed is to blame for Osama bin Laden. Actually, Coral Ridge might not argue with that. So how about this: The pope is to blame for the IRA. And Jesus is to blame for Mel Gibson, not to mention Coral Ridge Ministries.

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To: TonyRo76
I love how Dr. Kennedy boldly speaks truth to power...and anyone else who'll listen. He is a hero of our faith.

Which faith would that be? It's obviously not Christianity, since bearing false witness is a sin according to the Bible.

--R.

41 posted on 08/28/2006 6:59:20 AM PDT by RustMartialis
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To: PatrickHenry

So now the MSM is trying to create November as a referendum on christianity.

Islamic Facists good, all christianity bad. (and by extention jewish faith becaue former is based on the later)

So first it was just marriage amendments are sponsored by radical christains.

Now ALL bad things are christian.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 7:00:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: aft_lizard
Well, Marx was advocating an ideology which is totally different. Darwin put forward a scientific theory, as did Einstein. What was done with those theories (whether you believe them to be true or not) is unrelated to the theorists. Marx was an active advocate to put his theories into practice.
43 posted on 08/28/2006 7:06:06 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: PatrickHenry
������?����??&ve I'm a superman by getting away with murder. And when get caught, I defend myself by blaming Nietzsche. After all, he influenced me. Even if I really was influenced by Nietzsche, does that let me off the hook?

According to this artricle, it does. It opens by saying that positing an influence from Darwin to Hitler frees Hitler of fault.

Then again, emotional impact always did make better eliminationist propaganda than reason, as you-know-who could attest.

44 posted on 08/28/2006 7:07:02 AM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: ckilmer

(Or Feuerbach, Or Marx, or Hegel. Most college students in my time would read on the bathroom walls "Ghengis Khan. Immauel Kant.")
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ugg it took me decades of pain to kick out all the crap I learned in college. And to think I paid for that horse sh-t too.


45 posted on 08/28/2006 7:07:19 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: RightOnline

The pattern of history is clear: Nations that lose their reverence for God are only one short step from a complete devaluation of the lives and the liberty of those who are made in His image.

Dr. Kennedy is correct.

What you believe really matters...


46 posted on 08/28/2006 7:07:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: PatrickHenry
The purpose of Creationism is to destroy and discredit the Conservative Movement.

There are only two types of Creationists:

1) Those that know they are are telling a lie and are therefore Evil, and 2) those that are so pig-ignorant that they believe the lie told by those who know they are telling a lie.

47 posted on 08/28/2006 7:10:07 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: DoctorMichael
The purpose of Creationism is to destroy and discredit the Conservative Movement.

Ridiculous.

49 posted on 08/28/2006 7:12:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Graybeard58
Have they advocated killing those who don't agree with them?

I don't know about "them", but here on this thread, post 11 appears to advocate killing those who disagree.

50 posted on 08/28/2006 7:12:22 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: DoctorMichael

Talk about believe the devil's lies!!!!


51 posted on 08/28/2006 7:14:07 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: DoctorMichael
There are only two types of Creationists . . .

stereo

52 posted on 08/28/2006 7:14:28 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Oh, please.

I see the irony is lost on you.

I advocated killing no one.

Geezh, I see where lunatics like the one who wrote this article get their fodder.


53 posted on 08/28/2006 7:14:35 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: PatrickHenry
1st, the MSM will find the wierdest and furthest out there thoughts from a few Christians and then try and project them on the whole...when they represent an absoulte miniscule portion of what Christians believe and practise. That's what this is really about IMHO.

2nd, this ministry is right about two things...Mohammed did produce Bin Laden and Mohammed was every bit the terrorist, killer, and tyrant that bin Laden and any other hardline, fundamentalist Islamic is. Also, abortion, in terms of pure numbers, and in terms of impacting and destroying the absolute most innocent members of society is worse than the holocaust perpetrated by Hitler, IMHO. And that does not lessen in the least what Hitler did. That holocaust killed millions and was horrendous and deserved a World War to put it down before it could spread outside of Europe to the whole world. With Imperial Japan, in many ways it already had...and also with Stalinst Russia and Maoo's China (who each, BTW caused more death than Hitler did too)...but it would have been immeasurably worse had we not defeated it...and by extension through the Cold War, ultimately the Soviets too.

But abortion has killed scores of millions and continues to do so. We are fighting a holding action and a political war to defeat it...that is lasting decades, where we fought a World War for five or six years to defeat Hitler and Tojo. I will repeat, IMHO, abortion is worse than the holocaust from those perspectives.

3rd, the MSM goes out of its way to avoid and not report much more loco and "out there" moonbat conspiracies from the left, which represent a much larger percentage of that segment of the population than this will ever represent of main stream christianity. And that takes us back to number one, which is really what such artiocles are all about.

54 posted on 08/28/2006 7:14:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: PatrickHenry

Here is a sample of the subject of the article:

http://www.coralridge.org/darwin/legacy.asp?ID=crm&ec=I1301

"It changed his life. Francis Galton was 37 years old in 1860 when he read The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection. The book, Galton wrote, “made a marked epoch in my own mental development, as it did in that of human thought generally.”

"Most notably, Darwin’s book liberated him from the authority of the Church. “Its effect was to demolish a multitude of dogmatic barriers” and “arouse a spirit of rebellion against all ancient authorities....”

“Judicious Marriages”

"After reading Origin, which is subtitled, The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, Galton reasoned that a better breed of men could be produced with proper guidance and “judicious marriages.” He wrote in his book, Hereditary Genius that “it would be quite practicable to produce a highly-gifted race of men by judicious marriages during several consecutive generations.”

"Darwin congratulated Galton on the publication of Hereditary Genius, telling his younger cousin in a letter that, “I do not think I ever in all my life read anything more interesting and original.” While Darwin did not distance himself from cousin Galton, contemporary apologists of Darwin do. They seek to distinguish Darwin from those who made unseemly social application of his ideas.

"Evolutionist Niles Eldredge thinks that “Darwin would cringe at some of the movements undertaken in his name.” Eldredge does acknowledges that “social Darwinism,” which he regards as an illegitimate offspring of Darwin’s theory, “has given us the eugenics movement and some of its darker outgrowths, such as the genocidal practices of the Nazis in World War II—where eugenics was invoked as a scientific rationale to go along with whatever other ‘reasons’ Hitler and his fellow Nazis had for the Holocaust.”

"Galton coined the term “eugenics” (well born) in 1883, and campaigned extensively for socially engineered marriages which would over several generations produce, he thought, a highly gifted race of people. Galton wanted to limit marriage to the union of well-born partners and prohibit marriages of the “unfit.” By so doing, Galton thought that “what Nature does blindly, slowly, and ruthlessly, man may do providently, quickly, and kindly.”

"Well, maybe not that “kindly,” as it turned out later. Francis Galton replaced God with Darwinian Evolution and declared that there was no need for religion, because science is a valid alternative. In so doing, this disciple of Darwin devalued man and helped to weaken a moral brake that could have stopped the Nazi atrocities that followed.

"In his essay, “Eugenics as a Factor in Religion,” Galton laid out arguments that would lead to Nazi killing in the years to come. He left no doubt about the link between evolution and eugenics: “The creed of eugenics is founded upon the idea of evolution; not on a passive form of it, but on one that can to some extent direct its own course….”

Preserving the “Favoured” Race

"When Hitler came to power in 1933, he installed a dictatorship with one agenda: enactment of his radical Nazi racial philosophy built on Darwinian evolution. He sought, in Darwin’s terms, to preserve the “favoured” race in the struggle for survival. Brute strength and intelligence would be the driving force of the Nazi plan.

"The first task was to eliminate the weak and those with impure blood that would corrupt the race. These included the disabled, ill, Jews, and Gypsies. Second, the Nazis sought to expand Germany’s borders in order to achieve more living space, or “Lebensraum,” to make room for the expansion of the “favoured” race. Third, the Nazis set about to eliminate communism because of its threat to the Aryan race and because, according to Hitler, communism was the work of Bolshevik Jews.

"The plan quickly unfolded. An order to sterilize some 400,000 Germans was issued within five months of Hitler’s rise to power. The order, set to take effect on January 1, 1934, listed nine categories of the unfit to be sterilized: feebleminded, schizophrenia, manic depression, Huntington’s chorea, epilepsy, hereditary body deformities, deafness, hereditary blindness, and alcoholism. The Nuremberg Laws were passed in 1935 to prohibit marriage between Jews and Germans and to strip Jews of their German citizenship.

"The Nazis established eugenic courts to ensure that the eugenic laws were enforced. To identify the unfit, German eugenicists compared the individual health files of millions of Germans with medical records from hospitals and the National Health Service. The American firm, IBM, aided the effort by automating a national card file system that cross-indexed the defective.

"American eugenicists celebrated the German sterilization program. A leading U.S. eugenics publication, Eugenical News, published an admiring article on a German eugenics institute and extended “best wishes” to its director “for the success of his work in his new and favorable environment.” The New England Journal of Medicine editorialized in 1934 that “Germany is perhaps the most progressive nation in restricting fecundity among the unfit.”

"Eugenics in America was not a fringe movement. The U.S. Supreme Court issued a landmark 1927 ruling that authorized the sterilization of a “feeble minded” Virginia woman. In his majority opinion for the Court, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote: “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”

Killing the Weak and Disabled

"After Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, the Nazis became even more aggressive toward the weak. Approximately 100,000 Germans, labeled “useless eaters” by the Nazis, were killed. The victims were patients in nursing homes and medical facilities, as well as Jewish mentally disturbed and disabled. The Nazis ordered all of these exterminated. Ultimately, some 11 million people (and possibly more), six million from Jewish descent, were killed by the Nazi death machine.

"Richard Weikart, author of From Darwin to Hitler, outlines in simplified fashion the route from Darwin to Hitler:

"First, Darwinism undermined traditional morality and the value of human life. Then, evolutionary progress became the new moral imperative. This aided the advance of eugenics, which was overtly founded on Darwinian principles. Some eugenicists began advocating euthanasia and infanticide for the disabled. On a parallel track, some prominent Darwinists argued that human racial competition and war are part of the Darwinian struggle for existence. Hitler imbibed these social Darwinist ideas, blended in virulent anti-Semitism, and—there you have it: Holocaust."

"Today when evolutionists are questioned as to how Darwinian evolution gave birth to Hitler’s Nazism, they immediately want to beg the question, answering that racism has nothing to do with science. They are correct! Racism has nothing to do with science, but it has everything to do with evolution—a fact that is unavoidable."


55 posted on 08/28/2006 7:15:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Skooz
Anyone who equates Coral Ridge, or any other evangelical ministry, with the Taliban needs to be immediately removed from the gene pool.

You can disagree with someone without pasting such a laughably absurd moniker on them.

Apparently you can't disagree with someone without suggesting that they need to be eliminated, however.

Or maybe I just missed the public executions of infidels that Coral Ridge has been carrying out in football stadiums.

Perhaps they're waiting for you to step up to the plate and handle it for them, as you suggested was appropriate a mere two sentences ago.

56 posted on 08/28/2006 7:15:22 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: r9etb
I've been reminded many times that the theory of evolution has no moral implications.

Have you also been reminded many times that two plus two make four, and have you failed to learn that fact as well?

57 posted on 08/28/2006 7:16:09 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: PatrickHenry
The Holocaust wasn't Hitler's fault. Darwin made him do it.

They should blame Martin Luther. He was one of the nastiest Jew haters there ever was.

58 posted on 08/28/2006 7:17:15 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
There are many ways of removing one from the gene pool without killing them.

I employed hyperbole to demonstrate the utter idiocy of the drivel you seem to accept at face value.

Eugenics, Darwin, gene pool.... get it?
59 posted on 08/28/2006 7:17:33 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: longtermmemmory
So now the MSM is trying to create November as a referendum on christianity.

Islamic Facists good, all christianity bad. (and by extention jewish faith becaue former is based on the later)

So first it was just marriage amendments are sponsored by radical christains.

Now ALL bad things are christian.

Or Jewish... Christians (and they do hate the Christians)are just their politically correct proxy for their hatred of the Jews and what is written in Genesis...

So, in a sense Dr. Kennedy isn't that far off in his criticism of the religion of evolutionism, despite his clumsy delivery of the ideas.

60 posted on 08/28/2006 7:17:56 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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