REUNITED: Olaf Wiig and wife Anita McNaught after the New Zealand cameraman was set free following a two-week kidnapping ordeal in Gaza. Reuters
Posted on 08/27/2006 12:41:00 AM PDT by Crazieman
Per Fox News
Cue Donna Summer!
Well, they are definitely jealous, because they are part of an anti-intellectual, anti-individual death cult, and yet somehow they are just too dumb to understand why their societies do not do as well as ours... Er, Ali, maybe it's something about that death cult?
Still, I think the appeal of Islam to people such as the Western converts who all immediately start trying to kill the rest of us is that, like any cult, it preys on people who don't have very clear religious beliefs of their own or see the religion practiced by those around them as tepid and ineffectual. The "hollowing out" of Christianity by its replacement with the social ideals of the Democrat party in most mainstream churches has definitely driven away millions of people who would have been believers and made it tepid and ineffectual.
Not in the least. If it was a choice between getting my head sawed off and playing muzzie, I'd put on an Oscar performance.
"Now there has been some indication that this video tape was a last requirement before the two would be released."
"A face saving measure for the kidnappers. They, the kidnappers, felt it was a gift from God." ???
That's wonderful that they have been released! I pegged it in earlier post!
I'm hoping this is a good sign and that they will now be released. It might be a means for the kidnappers to 'save face', since their demands haven't been met and hopefully not kill Centanni and Wiig.
87 posted on 08/27/2006 4:18:39 AM EDT by ET(end tyranny)
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just a little redundant
http://tinyurl.com/pqoyv
Little more info.
REUNITED: Olaf Wiig and wife Anita McNaught after the New Zealand cameraman was set free following a two-week kidnapping ordeal in Gaza. Reuters
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ATQYUQ/104-0770824-1543963?v=glance&n=130
Spin would be saddened.
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How's you Winchester Thurston friend, by the by?
http://tinyurl.com/s57nc
Sorry about that, pic didn't come through! It's at the url.
The words they were forced to say aren't important... it's what's in their heart that matters. I don't see that they sacrificed their beliefs at all, since they didn't really convert to Islam. I don't hardly think Centanni and Wiig are going to suddenly start carrying Korans and planning suicide bombings.
Similarly, moral people are against killing others, but there is a moral justification for killing in defense and in war. This is war and they were defending themselves, with words instead of bullets.
I have followed this story for the past two weeks, totally convinced these guys would be tortured and perhaps killed. We have all seen the barbarism that the followers of this perverted religion are capable of. I've imagined myself in their places and wondered how I would feel. I have NO doubt that I would have been terrified beyond belief.
It is so easy to sit in the comfort of my chair, by my computer, the television muted off to my side, a lovely cup of coffee within reach, and be judgmental about the manner these two very real human beings have handled a horrifying ordeal.
But I just cannot condemn these men for making this so called "conversion" video, as completely repugnant as the idea is to me. With guns pointed at them they probably felt their only other option was death. The desire to stay alive, our love of this life and of our family and friends, is powerful.
Strange, I am totally secure in my belief in God, and I recognize the Lord Jesus Christ as my soul's savior, Who bore the penalty I so totally deserve and have earned. This issue is settled forever with me. But would I really have done differently than these two men?
I want to believe, with every fiber that is in me, that I would not have denied Him just to save my skin for a bit longer. After all we all die once. And yet....in many ways I am such a physical coward....I wonder.... Its so easy, when faced with danger, to forget the eternal and cling in every way possible to the temporal.
In the end, God, who knows all our hearts, will have the final say on Steve and Olaf. I can't condemn them.
Sorry for the ramble, I've been mulling this over all morning. Had to post my thoughts.
pattyjo
Now that the journalists are free, they should get on TV and say what they really feel about Islam.
If everyone lies, where do we find truth?
What an asinine thing to say! There is NO comparison!
They did. It is not what you might expect: "Don't get me wrong here. I have the highest respect for Islam, and I learned a lot of good things about it, but it was something we felt we had to do because they had the guns, and we didn't know what the hell was going on."
Rachel Scott is a testimony to that courage.
That's not what I meant, and I think you know it. I responded to your expressed standard of rationality. That's not what this is about. This is about faith, not rationality. What is rational to us is within such a subset of interests and consequences so narrow that we cannot know or understand the full implications of what we do. That's but one reason we have to trust Adonai and do what He says to do, whether we like it or not. In that sense, we would be irrational to behave rationally.
His denial of Christ...which Christ knew he would do...led him to become a great champion for His Savior and the Church.
Knew he would do or ordered them to do? That account in Matthew can be read both ways. For example, it would be entirely consistent that Peter (Kefa) would have wept bitterly when the cock crew because he so regretted having to go through with it as ordered, because he knew what portended and couldn't die with Him. They all had to know that Y'shua was committed to fulfulling the prophets through his death:
That wasn't the first time He'd explained His intentions. They knew He had plans for them after He was gone. He'd explained it too, more than once. After seeing Him conquer death in others, do you think it rational that they doubted Him?
We must fight that to the death.
Death by martyrdom can be the ultimate statement of commitment or an act of complete futility compared to fighting. It's hard to say which course is ultimately more effective in any individual instance, so I leave it to prayer to deal with that when or if the time comes.
"Now, I agree that the terorrists will be emboldened and attempt more. It is their desire to "convert" the world to Islam in such a manner...which means basically enbslave all to their ideology on pain of death. We must fight that to the death."
People should read how Hitler used terror via the SS and Gestapo to turn otherwise 'normal' people into barbarians or at the very least to turn a blind eye to their neighbors being hauled off to death camps.. I believe the Islamofacists have studied Hitler's technique well.. they have their SS and Gestapo, (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas,etc.} laying the ground work right now..they are weakening the resistance of souls around the world as they move on towards the ultimate conquest.
Courage is needed and required to fight this World threat, their acts of savagery and tyranny must be illuminated by all.
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