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Is Nationalized Health Care Terminal? (Ted Byfield On Second Thoughts In Canada On Medicare Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 08/26/06 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 08/26/2006 1:27:51 AM PDT by goldstategop

Canada's nationalized health-care system, admired by the left all over the world and deplored by the right all over Canada, took another hit last week. The Canadian Medical Association, long its unfailing supporter, suddenly turned against it.

The CMA elected as president Dr. Brian Day, a Vancouver surgeon and one-time supporter of state medicine, who is now an outspoken critic of Canada's "Medicare" system. In fact, he runs the largest private clinic in the country, offering an array of surgical procedures to people prepared to pay for them. In doing so, he challenges the Canada Health Act, which prohibits for-profit medical practice.

For two reasons, Dr. Day's election was viewed as a tidal change in the CMA attitude. For one, he not only opposes Medicare, he is one of its most articulate critics. "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week," he told the New York Times earlier his year. "Humans can wait two to three years. ... In a free and democratic society, where you can spend money on gambling and alcohol and tobacco, the state has no business preventing us from spending our own money on health care."

Raised in Britain, he came from a socialist family and began by supporting the state system. "But then when you find that your operating room time is cut from 22 hours a week progressively over the years to five hours a week, and you have 450 patients waiting for health care, you realize that something has to give."

Second, that Dr. Day had to stand for this election at all was an intriguing irregularity. The CMA has a rotating presidency, and it was British Columbia's turn to provide its chief officer. In the B.C. voting, Dr. Day won handily over the other candidates, all of whom ran on the understanding that the B.C. winner would not be opposed nationally. But one man among them reneged.

Dr. Jack Burak, also of Vancouver, an unreserved supporter of state medicine, decided it was his public duty to force a national election. After all, with an important social cause at stake, why quibble over some trivial moral principle about keeping promises? He campaigned vigorously, probably on the assumption that B.C. doctors may be prepared to allow for-profit medicine but the national body would prove more "truly Canadian." So the national vote became a referendum on the state system. Dr. Burak and the state system both lost.

Once elected, Dr Day hastened to protest that he does not favor dismantling the public system; he merely thinks Canada needs supplementary private services. This did not reassure Medicare's defenders, who viewed his election with obvious consternation. "Medicare has been good for patients and it's been good for doctors," said outgoing president Dr. Ruth Collins-Nakai. "If we begin to put doctors' interests ahead of patients' interests ... we will lose public trust."

Added Dr. Danielle Martin, chairwoman of Canadian Doctors for Medicare: "CMA delegates appear to be out of touch with the evidence, with the values of Canadians." The union-financed Canadian Health Coalition and the Registered Nurses Association of Ontario declared that Day's election clearly indicated withdrawal of CMA support from Medicare.

This was the second reversal inflicted upon Medicare this summer. In June the Supreme Court, arguably the most liberal judicial body in the Western world, decided that even it was not quite liberal enough to endorse the Medicare monopoly. It thereupon threw out a Quebec ban on private medical insurance. "Access to waiting lists is not access to health care," observed Justice Jack Major, who wrote the decision.

Long waits for medical and hospital services are the system's chief symptom of failure. The causes are many, not least a steady exodus of young Canadian doctors to the U.S. – which means, of course, that Canadians are training many doctors to work elsewhere. System proponents, however, cite an exhaustive report on Medicare commissioned by the late Liberal government, authored by Roy Romanow, previously the socialist premier of Saskatchewan. Its conclusion: Spend more money and let the government fix the system.

But more and more Canadians are starting to wonder whether any government can fix much of anything and are ready to contemplate alternatives. Not long ago, for instance, one B.C. surgeon publicly offered to take over the majority of surgeries of the local regional health board and perform them at 60 percent of present cost. The offer was angrily rejected as frivolous. The doctor who made it was Brian Day.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: brianday; britishcolumbia; canada; cma; healthcare; medicare; singpayer; socializedmedicine; tedbyfield; worldnetdaily
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At a time when Americans are considering adopting the Canadian health care system... Canadians are considering injecting a dose of private competition into theirs. There is a waiting list for surgical procedures like hip replacements. And one of the most articulate critics of Medicare Canada - who has just been elected President of the Canadian Medical Association, Dr. Brian Day of British Columbia - has argued persuasively its both immoral and coercive to keep Canadians from deciding how best to spend their available health care dollars. The country's Supreme Court - one of the most liberal in the world - has already ruled provincial bans on private health unconstitutional if they perpetuate waiting times for needed care. In a country where trust of government is as natural as mother's milk, change is now in the air.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

1 posted on 08/26/2006 1:27:54 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Hillary and other liberals are pushing it, not other Americans.

After some year long brainwashing with the help of the press, who knows, maybe Americans will want it?


2 posted on 08/26/2006 1:30:57 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: goldstategop
"...In a free and democratic society, where you can spend money on gambling and alcohol and tobacco, the state has no business preventing us from spending our own money on health care."

Sums it up for me.
3 posted on 08/26/2006 1:34:32 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: goldstategop

Medicare was originally conceived to protect people from losing everything in the case of catastrophic illness. It's evolved into a free for all that is at best taken for granted, and at worst, liberally abused.


4 posted on 08/26/2006 1:55:14 AM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: GMMAC; fanfan

Good article on medicare. Ping!


5 posted on 08/26/2006 1:56:01 AM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: goldstategop
Once elected, Dr Day hastened to protest that he does not favor dismantling the public system; he merely thinks Canada needs supplementary private services.

Because some pigs are more equal than others.

6 posted on 08/26/2006 2:00:20 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: goldstategop

The minor problem is every other advanced western society has some form of national health care, Japan, England, Ireland, France, Germany, Hong Kong and so forth.

While the Canadians don't love their system, they sure as hell don't want to go to the US system.

Our current system is f*cked up and we need to do something.


7 posted on 08/26/2006 2:02:41 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Hong Kong Expat
That's true, but there are several countries that have universal health care and is basically a private system. In Switzerland it is 100% private insurance with a individual mandate and a means tested subsidy for those who can not afford premiums, they also switched to something similar in the Netherlands. Japan,Australia,and Germany have quasi public/private systems that work so/so. It just goes to so you that with all the provin market friendly universal health systems out there that the dems are pure socialists for only pushing canadacare.
8 posted on 08/26/2006 2:10:28 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: spikeytx86

There is a need to do something about US health care cost (which usually has higher inflation rates than other sectors), and I don't think socialist-style is the answer. However, we probably need to look at the 'hybrid' style.


9 posted on 08/26/2006 3:05:11 AM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: paudio

Medical insurance, whether public or private, increases demand and increased demand increases prices.


10 posted on 08/26/2006 3:41:32 AM PDT by monocle
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To: goldstategop; paudio; Hong Kong Expat; spikeytx86
The effects of nationalizing health care in the United States would be immense, with many unintended and potentially very negative consequences. Irrespective of where you stand on the issue, the fact is that 'health care' is interwoven into our economy on a large scale, and nationalizing it would have far reaching implications.

Just for starters, the array of industries/companies involved in health care include those that develop advanced medical imaging (e.g. building MRI and CT scanners, producing radioisotopes, imaging directed IT etc.), develop and market new medical devices (e.g. artificial joints, heart valves, stents, vessel grafts, pacemakers and defibrillators, surgical instruments, robotics, lasers, physical therapy equipment, infusion pumps, etc......); medical IT; pharmaceuticals; medical suppliers; and MANY others.

On top of these you have several other layers of industries involved in supplying equipment and technologies for biomedical research, and the whole biotech sector.

Check your 401 K portfolio, etc., and see just how much health care is involved. If the system is suddenly disincentivized by a large government takeover with the equivalent of price controls there will be a ripple effect throughout the economy, guaranteed. That's not to say something doesn't need to be done to make the system better, but whatever is done needs to be done judiciously such that the great parts of what is clearly the most advanced medical system on earth don't get damaged.
11 posted on 08/26/2006 3:44:33 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle (No immigration without authorization and assimilation.....)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

But why should the US Health Care consumer subsidize the rest of the world?


12 posted on 08/26/2006 3:59:19 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: goldstategop

"The CMA elected as president Dr. Brian Day, a Vancouver surgeon and one-time supporter of state medicine, who is now an outspoken critic of Canada's "Medicare" system."

Obviously Dr. Day in the real world got a lesson in economics that he didn't get in medical school. Better late than never.


13 posted on 08/26/2006 4:05:27 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Hong Kong Expat

Put another way, why should other countries get to extort US health care companies to get the latest pharmaceuticals and technology at a much lower cost than we pay in the US? Financing socialized health care in those countries that have it is a huge problem. Imagine what it would be like if the US consumer wasn't subsidizing these systems indirectly by paying more for technology/meds here while they pay falsely deflated prices.


14 posted on 08/26/2006 4:06:39 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle (No immigration without authorization and assimilation.....)
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To: carumba

"...In a free and democratic society, where you can spend money on gambling and alcohol and tobacco, the state has no business preventing us from spending our own money on health care."

Conclusion: Canada is neither free nor democratic.


15 posted on 08/26/2006 4:11:05 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: spikeytx86
But what ideas are we pushing? "Everything is OK?"

The problem with a forced purchase of Insurance I can see winding up like the no-fault auto insurance.

I really enjoy the Hong Kong Model, because it offers a basic subsidized level of health insurance. You can be a for profit health care provider, but you are forced to offer a better service than the public sector to compete.

For example, when my girlfriend and I were in NYC she got a case of pinkeye. No doctor would see her so we had to go to the private hospital. She waited in the ER for about three hours, the doctor looked at her for about 5 minutes wrote her a prescription. We then needed to go to a drug store, wait another 30 minutes for them to fill the prescription. The total cost for this was over US$600.

When I get sick in HK, my private doctor is open to 8pm, he's able to provide the medicine. The visit and medicine ( cough medicine, pain relievers, anti-inflamitories, antibiotics, decongestant, a sleep aid,lozenges and something to make me sleep through the night) totaled less than US$40. If I went to a public health clinic it would have been US$20, but I'd have to wait an extra 45 minutes.
16 posted on 08/26/2006 4:14:03 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Other countries don't extort the US Health Care Companies, There is no law that forces them to sell.

The other countries are treating the Health Care companies like Wal-Mart treats their suppliers.


17 posted on 08/26/2006 4:17:47 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Hong Kong Expat

That the U.S. will have some form of gov't subsidized health care within 10 years is pretty much a done deal. It's simply too expensive for businesses to purchase the healthcare for their employees and too expensive in terms of lost time etc. for employees not to have health care.


18 posted on 08/26/2006 4:21:36 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: goldstategop
I'm interested in a market solution for bringing down health care costs. Anyone have one?

I'd like to have more PA's and Nurses be allowed to run offices with rights to prescribe and treat.

Increase competition; remove some burdensome laws.

19 posted on 08/26/2006 5:16:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
I'd like to have more PA's and Nurses be allowed to run offices with rights to prescribe and treat.

Do you believe that, if they do, that their patients should retain the right to sue some physician when they screw up?

If so, this will never, never happen.

Where such people have prescriptive privileges, they have to have a physician "supervisor". As providers like this claim more and more independence, the risk of this "supervision" skyrockets.

If you sever the link, it can work. If you don't, it can't.

20 posted on 08/26/2006 5:21:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (President of the FR Rudy 2008 caucus, posting for 3 days from the City he saved.)
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