Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers

NY Times ^ | Published: August 25, 2006 | By DUFF WILSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER

[Perdogg]

DURHAM, N.C. — On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The sergeant, Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.

[maggief]

LOL ... undercover op. :)

[TommyDale]

I might fit right in with my macaca disguise...

[abb]

Cato, you fool! Not now!!!

[maggief]

Googling the Expressions phone number:

http://triangle.citysearch.com/profile/36607590/


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ADULT CONTENT!!!

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[TommyDale]

Chapel Hill... What would you expect? LOL!

[muawiyah]

You really need to check on your attention span ~ the other poster raised the question of the AV having tried to run down a cop with her car.

My response to that was "Hey, let's see the film". Then I pointed to a local experience where that's exactly what the off-duty cop said happened to him, and he got off after he'd killed a passenger in that vehicle. We had another such event, and a different prosecutor in this area moved heaven and earth to get that cop off and he wasn't even from Virginia!

Oh, yes, I'm really likely to believe a cop's claim that the AV tried to run her down.

[muawiyah]

The NYT article contained this nifty little restatement of something we've all seen before: "Defense lawyers have also attacked the woman’s credibility. In one court filing, Mr. Seligmann’s lawyer, Mr. Osborn, said evidence of her “mental and emotional problems” would be used to impeach her testimony. Medical records in police files show that doctors had previously diagnosed depression and bipolar disorder."

That was on page 7.

You, personally, may have not seen any evidence of the AV being bipolar, but somebody else apparantly has, and isn't that always the case ~ a day late and a dollar short ~ coulda' won the race, but you were in a different state!

Doggone.

It's possible that the NYT reporter is correct ~ after all, people blab about our most secret and secure intelligence technology to the NYT people, so why not believe them when something in someone's medical records is blabbed to the NYT.

[muawiyah]

Hardly ~ we have a peaceul community with one of America's lowest murder and/or violent crime rates.

What we don't need coming in mucking this up are cops who are Mexican federales wannabees shooting up the neighbors.

And when they really do have to shoot somebody, we want them to be able to hit the target and not just somebody else in the area.

Gad. I pay good tax dollars to get good cops, and some of these politicians think it's enough to hire the class clown.

[SarahUSC]

Oh. My. God. That's a helluva sight. I can't even begin to describe that.

[maggief]

abb,

You may want to ping your list:

http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 26, 2006
Tony Soprano Channeling Sam Spade

I don't mind a reasonable amount of trouble. If I did, would you find me in those dark hours, eyeing some broad at Blinco's, about to find myself in the middle of the biggest story to hit town in years?

I'm Tony Soprano of the Court TV discussion board fame. No, not the guy on that TV show. I just took his moniker cause it gave me cover like a cheap toupee when a fella's follicles are few. I'm not afraid of cops like Gottlieb. I was there the night the caper with the fry cook went down.
Did I see it? No.
Gottlieb and I rub each other the wrong way, like a cheap wool suit you've had one year too long. Things were tense that night, my friends. I shot off my mouth a few times. As Gottlieb passed my barstool, he leaned in close. I could see the oily sweat on his shiny bald head. "Keep riding on me and they're gonna be picking iron out of your liver." He straightened up and, with his posse following him, sauntered out the door into the alley. What happened next, well, that's the most baffling mystery story in years.
A friend of mine, a newsie, was in Blinco's a few nights later. "Tony, Have the barkeep pour me some of that booze you're drinking, and I'll tell you a story you might want to hear."
"Good booze makes any tale you're going to tell one I want to hear." I motioned for him to pull out the barstool beside me. We waited till the dame serving us gave me a wink and sauntered back to the bar.
"Did you see Gottlieb's picture on the front page of the local rag. Did you read the piece saying his boss Nifong should be worried he's going down for the Blinco's gig?'
"Yeah, me and half the town saw that. What's your beef? Gottlieb's days as a Big Shot Bully are as numbered as a Currier and Ives calendar. The cook ratted him out, said the "Bald guy" was the instigator. Of the coppers here that night, Gottlieb fit that description like a Hong Kong suit you had made to order. He's as finished as a Dame from an East Coast Boarding school. He's going down.
The newsie smiled, took another sip of his drink. "Not so fast, Tony, Gottlieb may have hired a lawyer, but he ain't gonna take the fall. Our big story tomorrow is two young cops will take the rap for him. No way bossman Nifong will let his boy Gottlieb go down till the Dukies are duked out."
I took a drag on my cigarette and watched the smoke curl across the table. The newsie leaned in and pushed copy of the morning's paper my way. Our eyes met again as I glanced at the photos of the two cops charged."
But they have hair! There heads look like lucky sheep who ran from a careless shearer. No way they fit the Cook's description. And Gottlieb lawyered up faster than a railroad car on an icy stretch of track!”
"Exactly. Nifong's the boss. He ain't gonna let no stinking fry cook ruin the best campaign strategy since Washington rowed across a frosty river in Delaware. Gottlieb's the chief investigator. Three months later, he turned in ...pages of notes. His recollection of events added details to Nifong’s case like a New York seamstress adds sequins to a songbird’s gown. Gottlieb's in solid with the boss.”
I sat in stunned silence, not even a come hither look from the comely barmaid could stop my thoughts.
The newsie took another sip of the bourbon I bought him.
"It ain't the first time either. One morning. around 6AM, Gottlieb ran a red light and rammed his car into another guy's ride right here in Raleigh. When the smoke cleared, Mr.Nobody's car had $7000 worth of damage. Our man Gottlieb didn't even get a ticket. Tony, if that was you or me, think the Raleigh cops would let it slide like a fried egg on a greasy stove?"
I leaned back. The newsie smiled a knowing smile. "Ain't gonna happen, Tony. Watch and see. The guy with the smashed car, the poor fry cook here that got knocked around? They are NOBODYS, Tony. And NOBODY cares.”
My beat can be ugly, my friends. The night can be cold. But this story chilled me like a eager bridegroom's champagne waiting to be uncorked. But it's not over yet.
Tony Soprano doesn’t go down easy.
******Footnote: Unlike some OTHER fiction writers LieStoppers feels the need to distinguish fiction from fact. Should the NYT wish to carry this story, LieStoppers will insist they disclose the difference. Tony Soprano was NOT in Blinco's the night of the Fry Cook beating, but we link to the basic facts of the story that ARE true.

Gottlieb Accident Report

Gottlieb Accident Report Page 2

[fabriclady]

"diagnosed as bipolar, something we've also seen no proof of, is not remotely close to being certified as nuts"

I doubt you know what you're talking about. I have known, very well, two bipolar people. Their life is in no way normal. If they fail to take their medication, they become very uppredicitable. They will sometimes be a danger to them selves. One that I know does not want to take her medication. She will disappear for days at a time and cause so much grief for her family.

[Ken H]

I suggest the Sam Spade piece merits a new thread.

In the Court of Public opinion, the NYT has placed Sgt. Gottlieb on the stand as their star witness. They staked the entire credibility of their case on the honesty and integrity of this man.

Let's shine the spotlight on that shiney head.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

hush yo mouf

SHAFT!!!
Can ya dig it?

[I want to know]

Guess who else particpated in NC Pride last year? Stormy Ellis (as a marcher, not a drag queen).

http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/2005/09/nc-pride-and-meeting-log-cabin-folks.html

In Saturday's parade, participants marched from Duke University's East Campus to the Ninth Street retail strip and back, forming a rainbow-colored stream of floats, church groups, high school students, drag queens and local leaders including Stormy Ellis, an assistant district attorney in Durham, and Carrboro city councilman Mark Kleinschmidt, who gave a speech earlier in the day.

[jennyd]

I am amazed Nifong didn't hire cousin Jakki as an ADA yet.

[jennyd]

She still won't be ever certified as nuts. Nuts is not a medical term. LOL.

[RecallMoran]

My experience is the same. I knew two women in college diagnosed as bipolar. When they did not take their medication, unpredictable behavior was the least of it. One of the women would hurt herself (such as smashing a glass table with a lamp and having cuts from the glass) and become utterly convinced that she was the victim of a violent assault by her 80 year old father who was living about 1,000 miles away. This was a delusion that she insisted occurrred while she was in the hospital. Listening to her you would swear she was telling the truth, but it never happened. I've thought about this when I heard Crystal was bipolar, remembering how convincing a bipolar person can be that they were the victim of a violent, heinous assault that never occurred.

By the way, this doesn't mean they are "nuts," but it does mean they have a very serous medical condition and you can't take what they say at face value.

[xoxoxox]

"City Council, NAACP members upset over Target not answering survey"

http://www.heraldsun.com//durham/4-763977.html

"Suspect's lawyer says 'inducements' prompted statement"

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-764242.html

This town is a hoot!

[xoxoxox]

Durham hopes this fits to a !T
New effort seeks to lure residents

Eric Ferreri, Staff Writer

DURHAM - Bull City boosters who swear Durham gets a bad rap hope a new campaign will persuade more people to put down roots here when they move to the area for work.

The Greater Durham Chamber of Commerce's fledgling "Make !T Durham" initiative is a $105,000-a-year attempt to tell Durham's story in full. Too often, organizers say, the city's foibles make headlines while its many attributes go unnoticed, creating an unwarranted image problem. -cut--

http://www.newsobserver.com/145/story/479288.html

It's way too late for that-- However they are getting Priceless publicity.

[fabriclady]

I agree, I don't recall ever referring to anyone as "nuts".
Bipolar is treatable.
But, they must get the medication.