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It's Now Easier To Buy A Shotgun In NC Than A Keg Of Beer
Raleigh Chronicle ^ | 8/23/06 | Elliott West

Posted on 08/24/2006 5:27:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper

In the state's continuing war against the consumption of alcohol, North Carolina Governor Mike Easley signed a new law on Monday that will not only make it harder to buy kegs of beer, but will also diminish the legal rights of defendants to challenge illegally or incorrectly obtained evidence by the state in regards to driving under the influence charges.

The new law also makes it a crime to have any alcohol in the system of anyone under 21 years of age and allows police officers to demand a chemical test of citizens under 21, whether or not they are driving a vehicle. It also allows police officers who are investigating crashes to request medical information about anyone in any vehicle accident and to request blood tests from accident victims even if they are unconscious.

In addition, the new laws will allow police officers to charge drivers operating a vehicle with a DUI offense even if they are on private property and even if the business is closed. Previously, only those drivers that were on "public" roadways or areas open to the public fell under the domain of DUI laws.

Furthermore, the new laws also allows police officers to introduce tests from field breathalyzers as evidence, as opposed to the more accurate machine breathalyzer tests that are usually done at police headquarters or police stations. In the past, those more accurate automated tests were usually used as evidence in DUI cases instead of the field breathalyzer units.

The Governor's DWI Task Force, which was a group composed almost entirely of law enforcment officials, was established by executive order in December 2003. The task force was asked by Easley to review current laws and come up with proposals for further reducing and deterring driving while impaired. The new law is effective December 1st, 2006.

Kegs & Quantities Of Beer Require Permits

Strangely enough, in North Carolina, an 18 year old citizen may purchase a shotgun or long rifle without a permit, but under the new law that takes effect in December, no one -- not even those over 21 -- in North Carolina will be able to buy a keg of beer without a permit.

In an effort to diminish and also track the sales of kegs and identify individuals who are buying beer, the new law will require the purchaser of a keg of beer to first obtain a permit from the vendor.

The permit requirement will not only apply to kegs containing over seven gallons of beer, but will also require anyone buying over a certain amount of beer or wine to also get a permit. Anyone buying over 80 liters of beer, 50 liters of wine, or 8 liters of fortified wine or so-called "hard liquor" will need to get a permit as well.

DUI Charges On Private Property

Previously, DUI charges could be filed if someone under the influence drove on a public road or other area that was considered to be used by the "members of the public." The definition included private areas that were "open" to the public. An example would be a shopping center parking lot.

However, the new law extends the reach of the law to include almost any private property that has parking spaces that is used for vehicular traffic at any time, whether or not the business is open. The area does not have be a public road or private property that is open to the public, but it can be almost anywhere that is used by vehicles at any time under the new law.

The new extension of the law includes almost every type of property other than a private home, although even then, DUI charges can be filed against someone driving on a private road if the road leads anywhere into a subdivision.

Under 21 Charged With Consumption

Previously under North Carolina law, anyone under 21 could be charged with a crime if they were found to be in possession of alcohol or had attempted to purchase it.

With the new law going into effect, the state has also made it a crime to actually consume alcohol if a citizen is under 21 years of age.

As such, students who seek medical attention for alcohol poisoning could now find themselves charged with the crime of alcohol consumption after they seek treatment at any hospital or other healthcare provider.

Police officers also now have the authority to take a person under 21 into custody and require them to take a breathalyzer test even if they are not driving, if they are suspected of drinking alcohol.

"A law enforcement officer may require any person the officer has probable cause to believe is under age 21 and has consumed alcohol to submit to an alcohol screening test," says the new law.

The new law would allow officers at college and university campuses to charge students who had been drinking, but did not have alcohol in their possession. Under the old law, those students would normally would not face any charges since consumption was not a crime but possession was a misdemeanor.

However, under the new law, students with any alcohol on their breath at all or who show a blood alcohol level after being detained and given a breathalyzer test can be also be charged with a crime.

Police Officers Can Get Medical Info

Under the new law, police officers will now be able to get private medical information from hospitals about anyone involved in a vehicle crash even where alcohol has not yet been established to be involved.

As such, anyone who is a victim in a car wreck or other automobile accident may have their medical information handed over to a law enforcement officer under the new law, even if they were not the driver behind the wheel.

"If a person is involved in a vehicle crash, any health care provider who is providing medical treatment to the person shall, upon request, disclose to any law enforcement officer investigating the crash the following information about the person: name, current location, and whether the person appears to be impaired by alcohol, drugs, or another substance," says the law.

"A health care provider shall disclose a certified copy of all identifiable health information related to that person as specified in a search warrant or an order issued by a judicial official," states the new law.

Reduction In Legal Rights Of Defendants

Remarkably, the new law reduces the ability of defendants in DUI cases in the courtrooms and the ability to throw out or challenge evidence that was obtained by the state except in certain circumstances.

"The defendant may move to suppress evidence or dismiss charges only prior to trial," says the new law.

Although as an exception, the defendant may still make a motion to dismiss the case at the close of state's evidence, this new rule is a vast departure from established courtroom procedure and places a much greater burden on the defendant.

Local defense attorneys we talked with are already concerned about some of the provisions of the law including the challenging of evidence as well as the elimination of the provision in the law that requires a test from a more accurate automated breathalyzer that prints out the report, as opposed to the field breathalyzers operate by officers.

"This is what happens when you have a former prosecutor who is governor choose everyone on the commission [to come up with the law] -- everyone on there was either involved in law enforcement or worked for the state as a prosecutor," said the local defense attorney, who tries DUI cases and wished not to have his name printed. "There was no one there to serve as an advocate for the legal rights of citizens, just to serve law enforcement."

Governor Easley said that the new laws, although tougher, would be applied fairly.

"This comprehensive legislation will better protect the public from the dangers of drunk drivers by strengthening existing DWI laws. The legislation increases penalties for driving while impaired and assures that laws are applied fairly and consistently throughout North Carolina," said Easley in a released statement.

Other Provisions Of The New Law

Other than the keg permit, the media across the state have focused on other less onerous provisions in the new law, including stricter penalties for getting involved in an accident or causing injuries while driving drunk.

The new law makes most of those types of laws felonies and also makes it easier to classify DUI drivers as habitual offenders. Under the new law, drivers need only to get three DUI's in ten years as opposed to the old span of seven years.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; beer; booze; donutwatch; dui; dwi; govwatch; itstime; libertarians; nannystate; neoprohibition; northcarolina; sovietbs
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To: Protagoras

Impeaching several Federal judges would be all that was needed to straighten this out. BUT, as you say, the political will is lacking.


141 posted on 08/25/2006 9:23:19 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: ZULU
And I don't think you should need a "permit" to exercize a COnstitutional Right.

According to some on this thread you are incorrect. Read on.

BTW, you are correct.

142 posted on 08/25/2006 9:30:06 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Minimum-wage laws are one of the most powerful tools in the arsenal of racists." - Walter Williams)
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To: Protagoras
9th amendment Class dismissed.

Spoken like a true leftist. Does Amendment IX also not say that I have a guaranteed right to own heroin, dioxin, DDT, chlordane, and Kimodo dragons? Or is your "interpretation" selective?

143 posted on 08/25/2006 9:31:05 AM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Hoodat
Son, you would be better off to slink away. You not only are incorrect and misinformed, but in way over your head.

When you are in a hole, stop digging.


144 posted on 08/25/2006 9:36:00 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Minimum-wage laws are one of the most powerful tools in the arsenal of racists." - Walter Williams)
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To: Protagoras
I guess this isn't just a "Conservative" website.

Left-wing government control fanatics are also allowed to post here. I agree with you too and Hoodah.

If this nonsense about government control isn't stopped, we will only be able to drive to work in our environmentally approved, certifiably safe, perfectly collision safe, speed limited $100,000 car (thanks to government regs) and pay $10.00 a gallon (thanks to no drilling anywhere in the U.S. and no nuclear plants or new refineries).

But it won't be a big loss. With all the government regulations the only thing we will be permitted to do is work, eat (non-caloric food of course - organically grown), procreate (if we choose while mindful of the damage done to the environment by producing too many children) and sit at home and watch Desperate Housewives, the Superbowl (only low sodium treats), or pornography - since the government apparently thinks those are reasonably recreationally safe "hobbies". Accordingly, we won't miss the money - the little we receive after the state rapes our wallets to pay for all the regulators these regulations will require, and after we pay off all the attorney fees incurred proving in court we aren't violating any of these damn regulations.
145 posted on 08/25/2006 9:42:10 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: KoRn
Liberal nanny state idiocy.

Conservatives are to blame for this, not liberals. Conservatives set up the war on drugs which militarized the police and created an adversarial relationship between police and the people.

Unfortunately, many who call themselves conservative only do so because they welcome a police state.

146 posted on 08/25/2006 9:45:18 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Protagoras

Strike that about Hoodat. I got confused about who was where on this subject.

I agree with you.


147 posted on 08/25/2006 9:47:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
I guess this isn't just a "Conservative" website.

There are plenty of conservatives here, but there are also tons of authoritarians who think it's conservative to use government to get what you want. Right wing control fanatics exist in large numbers as well.

They have no understanding of rights, their origin or definition.

One poster on this thread is of the popular but mistaken notion that rights emanate from the Constitution and must be named there one by one. Despite the document itself which states quite clearly that that is not so.

They get quite testy when corrected and begin calling names and such.

148 posted on 08/25/2006 9:52:53 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Minimum-wage laws are one of the most powerful tools in the arsenal of racists." - Walter Williams)
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To: doug from upland
A shotgun works somewhat better than a kegger

Make a keg fougasse and get all the little criminal bastages at once in an ambush :)

149 posted on 08/25/2006 9:58:45 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Except that the 4th amendment was applied to the states by the 14th (IIRC).


150 posted on 08/25/2006 10:13:08 AM PDT by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: seacapn; elkfersupper
NC has long been one of the schizophrenic "Dry County" states where about half the population over the age of 11 thinks moonshine is a food group.

Traditionally, in the dry counties, sheriff's deputies were sometimes part of the moonshine distribution network, occasionally forced to arrest their relatives when the Federals came through.

Seriously though, many states are moving to "0" tolerance, even though the guy who's going to kill you on the road usually has a blood-alcohol level that would kill you, too. A Virginia judge just made a sensible ruling: i.e., although you may have recently had a glass of wine, and you blow above the limit, it does not mean that you are impaired.

What chaps my hide is that none of this does much to remove the really bad boys from the road. Every state has folks driving right now who have had 10 and up DUIs, caused multiple accidents, maybe hurt or even killed people, and they're still out there driving.

Meanwhile, somebody drinking a shooter before heading home for dinner is in big (expensive) trouble.

151 posted on 08/25/2006 10:13:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Since Cuco Sanchez died, Mexico has been getting worse and worse.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Every state has folks driving right now who have had 10 and up DUIs, caused multiple accidents, maybe hurt or even killed people, and they're still out there driving.

True as hell.

In Chicago, they drive away from the courthouse directly to the saloon after being told by the judge that they can no longer drive.

The newspapers have followed these guys and have them on film. Very little has happened and nothing has changed.

152 posted on 08/25/2006 10:37:35 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Cobra64

Ahhh, the smell of terpenes in the morning...


153 posted on 08/25/2006 10:46:02 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
I liked the NC shoreline a lot even though it had no waves. I'm told that the offshore barrier islands have great surfing, but it was odd for a California guy to see tiny waves lapping at the shore like it was a lake. I will say that the beaches are better and the water is much warmer than CA beaches are.

The unpopulated area I was thinking of was the Blue Mountain Parkway. That's really nice.

If there's anything I have to say about NC that's bad, it's the people and town of Jacksonville. Nuke Jacksonville for all I care.

154 posted on 08/25/2006 10:53:33 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Hoodat
Last time I checked, there was no Constitutional protection for owning beer.

You have a comprehension problem.

155 posted on 08/25/2006 11:26:29 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: El Gato
I don't recall any right to keep and drink beer being protected by the Constitution.

That's either a recollection problem or a comprehension problem.

156 posted on 08/25/2006 11:30:33 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Protagoras
In Chicago, they drive away from the courthouse directly to the saloon after being told by the judge that they can no longer drive Just like gun control. Where are these clymers when it comes to disarming criminals? Or putting the real drunks, whom study after study has shown are the ones who kill and maim, in jail.
157 posted on 08/25/2006 1:19:10 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Since Cuco Sanchez died, Mexico has been getting worse and worse.)
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To: Protagoras

I always thought the Constitution RECOGNIZED certain rights that were God-given, not granted by any government -as stated in the Declaration of Independence.


158 posted on 08/25/2006 2:30:20 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Protagoras
Still can't find where in the Constitution it guarantees my right to own beer? Typical. btw, if I am way in over my head, why is it that you are unable to prove your claim?
159 posted on 08/25/2006 2:39:12 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: elkfersupper
Last time I checked, there was no Constitutional protection for owning beer.

You have a comprehension problem.

Then educate me. Show me where in the Constitution I can find that protection for owning beer, because last time I checked, every single state in the US was violating that imaginary protection for those under 21. Constitutional protection? I don't think so.

160 posted on 08/25/2006 2:51:41 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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