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Teacher Suspended For Hanging Foreign Flags In Classroom [Colorado]
ABC 7 ^ | August 23, 2006

Posted on 08/23/2006 3:44:34 PM PDT by ncountylee

A Jefferson County geography teacher was suspended on the second day of school for hanging several flags from other countries in his classroom at Carmody Middle School.

Eric Hamlin said the flags were part of a world geography lesson plan and refused to remove them. Hamlin was escorted out of class and Wednesday morning by the school's principal after he refused to remove the flags of China and Mexico.

The school district placed him on administrative leave, citing a Colorado law that makes it illegal to display foreign flags permanently in schools.

"Under state law foreign flags can only be in the classroom because it's tied to the curriculum. And the principal looked at the curriculum, talked to the teacher, and found that there was really no curriculum coming up in the next few weeks that supported those flags being in the classroom," said Jeffco Public Schools spokeswoman Lynn Setzer.

But Hamlin said although his curriculum may not speak specifically about those flags, they are used as reference tools for world geography.

"It's much along the lines of a science teacher who puts up a map of the solar sysem. They may not spend every day and every lesson talking about Mars, but they want the students to see that and to see the patterns of the planets and the order, and the students will observe that, and absorb that learning visually," Hamlin said.

Hamlin said that the school district is not only depriving him of a teaching tool but also taking away from his students' education.

"The major problem I see here is with the law that limits educators," Hamlin said.

"We have to uphold state law. We really have no discretion when it comes to upholding the law," Setzer said.

Hamlin said he understands that the district is following state law so he's met with the ACLU and he said, if necessary, he plans on fighting the constitutionality of the law.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aclu; education; erichamlin; hamlin; teacher
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To: ncountylee
What a creepy loon. If he's in such favor of China or Mexico...someone needs to buy him a 1 way ticket and let him live there. Let him teach those kids...we do not need this fool in a classroom.

If you can't follow the school districts rules....you're out.

61 posted on 08/23/2006 4:30:33 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: ncountylee
I guess the ACLU will defend other teachers who hang the Confederate Battle flag.[/sarcasm]
62 posted on 08/23/2006 4:30:46 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: dandelion; frankiep
The curriculum doesn't have to be coming up in the next few weeks for a teacher to decorate a classroom with relevant objects.
According to the principal it does but I guess you two know better than the principal.

By your standards then it would be okay to hang these:

63 posted on 08/23/2006 4:31:42 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: LasVegasMac
Besides, who needs a foreign flag to learn where that country is, what they do, etc.?

Exactly. Also, who needs to know what nouns, verbs, and pronouns are and how they are used to be able to speak? Who needs to know the table of the elements to get a job? Who needs to how to determine the circumfrence of a circle, or the area of a rectangle to budget their money?

Come on, you can't be serious. I hope you don't think that kids learning the flags of at least some other countries (especially major ones) is somehow taboo. That's the kind of mentality that produces ignorant, altogether stupid high school graduates.

64 posted on 08/23/2006 4:33:32 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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To: ncountylee
I'm amazed so many freepers are siding with this teacher.

citing a Colorado law that makes it illegal to display foreign flags permanently in schools

Here's the way it works. The LEGISLATURE decides what laws to pass, not this (undoubtedly leftwing) teacher. The teacher is free to lobby for a change in law, if he wishes. If he chooses civil disobedience, as he apparently has here in what is undoubtedly a political stunt (probably at the behest of the ACLU), then he has no basis to complain when he is fired.

So for those of you who back the teacher, how does that work out for you when you, say, get a speeding ticket? Or decide not to pay your taxes? Do you whine and moan, saying since you personally don't agree with the law, it's unfair for the government to enforce it against you?

65 posted on 08/23/2006 4:33:50 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Dane

Thank you.


66 posted on 08/23/2006 4:35:00 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: dandelion

very well said!


67 posted on 08/23/2006 4:35:23 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I'd wager that the "teacher" is a card carring ACLU member.


68 posted on 08/23/2006 4:35:33 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ketelone
No... Id say it proves he has some backbone.

There's a big difference between "backbone" and deliberately becoming a martyr over something trivial in the overall scheme of things.

If your employer tells you to do something, and ESPECIALLY if it involves following the law, then you do it.

And you write your legislators to complain that the law is overbroad.

Instead, this teacher lost his job, apparently wants to become the Cindy Sheehan of Colorado teachers, and make a big stink. That's just dumb.

69 posted on 08/23/2006 4:35:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

There are many stupid laws on the books in many states. For instance, in North Dakota it is still legal to shoot Native Americans provided you circle the wagons before hand. This is an example of an extremely stupid law; one that should go unheeded.


70 posted on 08/23/2006 4:36:47 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: dandelion
You aren't allowed to teach thinking!

This case is a set piece by the teacher,ACLU, and school administration to "teach a leson" to the lawmakers,etc.

As long as the U.s. of A. flag is significantly larger and properly displayed there is nothing wrong with a display of the "The Flags of the World".

I do find it odd only two other flags were mentioned/displayed. Where were the flags of Canada,Mexico,the 33? other Central and South American countries?

71 posted on 08/23/2006 4:37:06 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: ncountylee
Looks like nothing but an ACLU set up.

Yup. He sure was ready for this response. It's too bad his charges are taking a backseat to his agenda.

But, hey, that's a lefty for ya.

72 posted on 08/23/2006 4:37:20 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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To: dandelion
You should see how I help my students remember the parts of the cell.

I give the kids about 7 different colors of clay and we make a model of the cell. The kids get such a kick out of making the endoplasmic reticulum. LOL quite a few of them go home and throw the word out during dinner conversation.

We do that project around Christmas and some of the kids take them home and use them as Christmas ornaments.

During the unit on the human skeleton, I play a game called Ms. Ware says, and I call out the name of a bone and they have to touch it with their phalanges.

On hands activities, when possible are a great way to help the kids remember.

73 posted on 08/23/2006 4:37:20 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: ncountylee

*SNIP*

He’s used the same display for most of the nine years he’s taught in Jefferson County, Hamlin said.

The foreign flags are in addition to the standard U.S. flag found in all classrooms.

Hamlin said principal John Schalk escorted him from the building Thursday before classes began. He was handed a letter saying the matter is under investigation and warning him to remain off school property.

Jeffco Public Schools spokeswoman Lynn Setzer said Schalk believed Hamlin was in violation of a state law on display of foreign flags on public property.

Schalk interprets the law as allowing foreign flags as part of a specific lesson, but not for the duration of the six-week unit.

Hamlin has more than 50 flags that he uses during the course of the year. He asks students to consider the symbolism different countries put on their flags, such as the stars and stripes on the U.S. flag.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/education/article/0,1299,DRMN_957_4939458,00.html


74 posted on 08/23/2006 4:37:45 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: SoldierDad
Thank you.

You are very welcome.

I go by the adage that you learn something new everyday and have fun learning how to post images and other aspects of HTML.

75 posted on 08/23/2006 4:40:24 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I do not know what the curriculm of that state is in regard to geography but when I teach my students both state and world geography I always ask the student if there is a significance in the symbolism found in the flag.

It can tell you a lot about the state.

76 posted on 08/23/2006 4:41:02 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
There is only one China.

Yes, the bad one.

77 posted on 08/23/2006 4:41:17 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
I'm amazed so many freepers are siding with this teacher.

Iran has laws that change the names of things to avoid "undesirable" western influences too.
78 posted on 08/23/2006 4:43:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: oh8eleven
And you, oh8eleven, do you equate the Nazi Flag with the battle flag of the Confederacy?

The state flag law is unequivocal. Did this teacher wish to disobey the law? Disobeying the law is illegal. Jail him, then the ACLU can sue for his release. What a jerk.
79 posted on 08/23/2006 4:43:45 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: frankiep
Come on, you can't be serious. I hope you don't think that kids learning the flags of at least some other countries (especially major ones) is somehow taboo. That's the kind of mentality that produces ignorant, altogether stupid high school graduates.

Ease up, skippy.

When we studied Rome, I don't recall the teacher having a friggin' chariot in the classroom. But I knew what one was. What it looked like. And what it was used for.

Maybe you missed that neat little invention called a.....

Book.

You know...pictures....words....etc.

So you think kids have to have the flag actually in their classroom to get that "learning" experience?

That's the kind of mentality that does not even deserve discussion.

Are you a teacher, by chance?

80 posted on 08/23/2006 4:46:14 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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