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ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler
The Anti-Defamation League ^ | August 22, 2006 | The Anti-Defamation League

Posted on 08/22/2006 2:04:20 PM PDT by js1138

ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler

New York, NY, August 22, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today blasted a television documentary produced by Christian broadcaster Dr. D. James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries that attempts to link Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to Adolf Hitler and the atrocities of the Holocaust. ADL also denounced Coral Ridge Ministries for misleading Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute for the NIH, and wrongfully using him as part of its twisted documentary, "Darwin's Deadly Legacy."

After being contacted by the ADL about his name being used to promote Kennedy's project, Dr. Collins said he is "absolutely appalled by what Coral Ridge Ministries is doing. I had NO knowledge that Coral Ridge Ministries was planning a TV special on Darwin and Hitler, and I find the thesis of Dr. Kennedy's program utterly misguided and inflammatory," he told ADL.

ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement:"This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

"It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of 'Christian Supremacists' who seek to "reclaim America for Christ" and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law."

The documentary is scheduled to air this weekend along with the publication of an accompanying book "Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions."

A Coral Ridge Ministries press release promoting the documentary says the program "features 14 scholars, scientists, and authors who outline the grim consequences of Darwin's theory of evolution and show how his theory fueled Hitler's ovens."


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To: torchthemummy
you sure come across as a fundamentalist in your overriding disdain of religion

I'll accept that you believe that fundamentalists have overriding disdains for things. But logically, it doesn't follow that anyone who holds a disdain for something is a fundamentalist.

A fundamentalist would be one who holds to a very strict literal interpretation of their source material. Which can get might scary if the source material is flawed.

721 posted on 08/25/2006 8:20:07 AM PDT by Dracian
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To: js1138

"All Darwin did was notice that it happend in nature without human intervention."

... and published theories of "racial hygiene" in "The Descent Of Man." Leading Darwinists of that era had no problem recognizing Hitler as one of their own. What changed, between now and then? What makes you so determined to pronounce eugenics as being "pseudoscience?" You know the answer to this.


722 posted on 08/25/2006 8:37:10 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: js1138; RegulatorCountry
Your comment, RegulatorCountry: "Eugenics, with a straight line back to Darwin."

Pretty facile conclusion. As js1188 notes, that line heads well past Darwin. The idea of breeding humans as one would livestock goes back to the Spartans, and filtered through European aristocracy for a very long time. With so many more obvious antecedents, the singular choice of Darwin's reference to artificial selection in his analogy to natural selection as the casus belli of Nazi criminality is fairly obvious -- demonization of the theory of evolution in lieu of scientific rebuttal.

Indeed, the Nazi expropriation of eugenic postulates appears more directly similar to the Lamarckian view of evolution as independent lineages progressing up a ladder.

And there is little doubt that eugenics' champion, Francis Galton, genuinely disagreed with Darwin concerning the mechanism of evolutionary change. Galton held that the small, incremental steps of natural selection would be subverted by "regression to the mean," a belief, in short, that evolution must proceed by discontinuous steps, or saltations, that he called "transiliencies." Pretty clearly a throwback to Huxley and Lyell.

Your straight line, RegulatorCountry, has some oddly curvilinear qualities.

723 posted on 08/25/2006 9:08:48 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: RegulatorCountry
... and published theories of "racial hygiene" in "The Descent Of Man." Leading Darwinists of that era had no problem recognizing Hitler as one of their own. What changed, between now and then? What makes you so determined to pronounce eugenics as being "pseudoscience?" You know the answer to this.

Please cite a reference to the phrase "racial hygiene" in Darwin's writing. Every word he wrote in online, so it should be easy, if you are not lying.

Eugenics is not pseudoscience, and your claim that I have called it that is another lie. What the Nazis did was pseudoscience.

724 posted on 08/25/2006 9:19:20 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: atlaw

"Selective breeding of human beings was suggested at least as far back as Plato, but the modern field was first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1865, drawing on the recent work of his cousin, Charles Darwin. From its inception, eugenics (derived from the Greek "well born" or "good breeding") was supported by prominent thinkers, including Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Winston Churchill. Eugenics was an academic discipline at many colleges and universities. Its scientific reputation tumbled in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin began incorporating eugenic rhetoric into the racial policies of Nazi Germany. During the postwar period both the public and the scientific community largely associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, which included enforced "racial hygiene" and extermination, although a variety of regional and national governments maintained eugenic programs until the 1970s."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Eugenics has never gone away and never will go away. Support for eugenics is widespread on FR. Just the other day there was a thread celebrating the likelihood that conservatives were having more children than liberals.

On other days there have been threads worrying about Muslims having more children than Christians.


725 posted on 08/25/2006 9:28:36 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Bosco
The term 'survival of the fittest' was coined by Herbert Spencer and was meant economically not biologically.
726 posted on 08/25/2006 10:03:23 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Biology doesn't really have the concept of "fittest." Some individuals have more offspring than others. There is no necessity of selection by early death, although that does happen.

If a eugenics program were designed by science it would seek to maximize diversity rather than seek purity. Any animal breeder knows that inbreeding results in the more frequent expression of recessive genes, some of which are detrimental.

The Nazis had no interest in science. They were sloganizers.


727 posted on 08/25/2006 10:11:12 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

"The Nazis had no interest in science."

Oh, please.

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728 posted on 08/25/2006 12:01:21 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Do you ever read anything before posting? Here's something you posted to prove Nazis were interested in science.

BIOLOGISTS AND PHYSICISTS AND NAZI SCIENCE Fifty-five years after the end of the Nazi regime in Germany (1933-1945), studies of the active collaboration of a number of German scientists with the Nazis continue to be a focus of attention. Perhaps part of the reason for the attention is puzzlement: These scientists actively collaborated with a tyrannical regime whose essence was totally opposed to the very spirit of science. Hitler, in fact, is said to have dismissed German physics with a wave of his hand and a statement that Germany could do without physics for a thousand years.

What was in the minds of these scientists when they chose to actively support the Nazis? Was it an arrogant belief that their expertise in a science gave them superior insights into the enigmas of political, social, and economic realities? Such questions will continue to be pondered by historians, sociologists, and psychologists. Meanwhile, the contemporary German science community is struggling to deal with its past.

That's just the first article I came to.

729 posted on 08/25/2006 12:06:57 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: b_sharp

whether I like ToE is irrelevant the fact it was used as a premise by nazi germany.

here is a candid quote:

“TO MY STARTLED DISMAY, I FOUND MYSELF UNDERSTANDING WHY SO MUCH OF THE GERMAN MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT ACTED AS IT DID. I REALIZED THAT, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I MIGHT HAVE DONE THE SAME . . . . WHAT WE LEARN FROM HISTORY COMES FAR LESS IN STUDYING THE EVENTS THAN IN THE RECOGNITION OF HUMAN MOTIVATION—AND THE ETERNAL NATURE OF HUMAN FRAILTY.”

— DR. SHERWIN B. NULAND, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR AT THE NEW REPUBLIC, SEPTEMBER 2004 REVIEW OF DEADLY MEDICINE: CREATING THE MASTER RACE EXHIBITION.



730 posted on 08/25/2006 12:34:24 PM PDT by flevit
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To: js1138

You've noted yourself that science is amoral. And yet, you continue to pursue a values assessment as to why scientists would "collaborate," as to why Nazis erred in their determination of just which people to elevate or destroy, based upon the science of eugenics, which was drawn directly from Darwin. You apparently are mounting this as a defense of amoral science, because of the immorality of Nazi actions, choosing instead to focus blame upon the religion that provided you with your definition of morality. Odd.


731 posted on 08/25/2006 12:42:11 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: flevit

What does your quote have to do with anything, and what does selective breeding -- practiced for thousands of years -- have to do with the fact that variations are selected in nature without human intervention?


732 posted on 08/25/2006 12:43:37 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: RegulatorCountry
based upon the science of eugenics, which was drawn directly from Darwin

Lying isn't nice. You will burn in hell for it.

733 posted on 08/25/2006 12:45:18 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

cherry picking an editorial opinion afterthought?
read the rest
2) According to the new report, Ruedin lobbied successfully for ever broader criteria, and on Ruedin's initiative, the sterilization came to include the "morally ill" -- the Nazi term for the mentally handicapped. This category covered 95 percent of the 400,000 sterilizations carried out between 1933 and 1945. At Ruedin's suggestion, the sterilized included 600 children of black French soldiers and German women in the state of Rhineland, which the French occupied after the First World War.

Perhaps the most significant aspect of all of this is that these policies, which now seem the product of deranged minds, were not proposed and implemented by a few mentally deranged political leaders, but were indeed proposed and implemented by at least part of the German scientific establishment. Why did this happen? And how can the present scientific community prevent such a thing happening again?

The new German investigation has so far focused on the history of four Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes, three of which were in the biological sciences and the fourth the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Metal Research in Stuttgart. The head of the research group that produced the report, Carola Sachse, according to the Nature news report, says "it is not known whether Nazi sympathies were the exception or the rule among scientists."


734 posted on 08/25/2006 12:45:55 PM PDT by flevit
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To: js1138

"You will burn in hell for it."

You lack the authority to make that judgement, so, I beg your pardon, but I'm not too terribly shaken by your faux religious pronouncement. Eugenics was drawn directly from Darwin, by Francis Galton, the so-called "Father Of Eugenics."

You're starting to get a tad shrill. Maybe you should take another break and revisit this, when your emotions are more in check?


735 posted on 08/25/2006 12:50:08 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: flevit

I didn't cherry pick. Saying that German scientists worked for Hitler doesn't imply they were doing science. Where does it say that anything useful came out of Nazi "science"?

Farmers and animal breeders sterilize animals every day. They are practicing a trade that goes back thousands of years. It has no connection to Darwin.


736 posted on 08/25/2006 12:50:53 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

human intervention according to nazi rational is completely natural, thus nazi selection was completely natural....ie natural selection.
eugenics, genocide, reguardless of human technology,(no less natural in theory than a stick weilding chimp) by nazi definition would be natural selection.

do you agree that human are special, not merely just another animal?


737 posted on 08/25/2006 12:54:38 PM PDT by flevit
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To: RegulatorCountry
Eugenics was drawn directly from Darwin, by Francis Galton, the so-called "Father Of Eugenics."

The word was coined by Galton, but the practice has been around for thousands of years. Plato is the oldest source for its application to humans. It is still practiced everywhere, and even recommended by FReepers on a regular basis.

738 posted on 08/25/2006 12:55:29 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: flevit

Humans are special and they are animals. False dichotomy.


739 posted on 08/25/2006 12:56:43 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138

"The word was coined by Galton, but the practice has been around for thousands of years."

But, but, but. Darwin and Galton were just more of the same-old, same-old. Nothing to see here that's not thousands of years old. Move along now, lol.


740 posted on 08/25/2006 12:58:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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