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British gen. calls Iraq 'mini civil war' (Not Satire; Comic Relief)
Kansas City Star ^ | August 22, 2006 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 08/22/2006 8:04:21 AM PDT by jdm

WASHINGTON - The British deputy to the top U.S. commander in Iraq said Tuesday the country's sectarian conflict is not a full-blown civil war but could be described as a "civil war in miniature."

"In my judgment, we are not in a situation of civil war," British Royal Marine Lt. Gen. Robert Fry told reporters at the Pentagon in a video-teleconference from Baghdad. He added, "I know what a civil war looks like."

He said there is no mass migration out of Baghdad, where the sectarian violence is worst; the central government is functioning; and the country's security forces are answerable to the government.

"So what I think we have is something which is, at the very best, civil war in miniature, at the very best. But I don't think it actually even meets that definition," Fry said.

Murders and other acts of violence have declined substantially in Baghdad in recent weeks, Fry added, and most other parts of the country are relatively peaceful.

Fry is deputy commander of Multi-National Force-Iraq, headed by U.S. Army Gen. George Casey, and is the senior British representative in the country. Britain has about 7,200 troops in Iraq, mostly in the southern provinces.

The role of U.S. and coalition forces now is to "hold the ring" and wait for the Iraqis to reach a political settlement that will end the sectarian strife and build the foundations for economic recovery, Fry said.

"We can continue to conduct military operations in order to separate the two sides of the sectarian conflict - and we will do that," he said. "But that of itself does not bring about a solution. What brings about a solution is a process of reconciliation which only the Iraqis can conduct - and they are in the process of conducting that now."

Fry said it was important that the conflict not be described as "civil war."

"It is inflammatory language," he said. "It is implying that the situation is worse than it is. It therefore encourages - among other things - adventurous media reporting" and "could encourage a certain degree of despondency in the political constituencies of both of our countries. But above all, I simply don't think it's an accurate statement of the situation that we're currently involved in."


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; uktroops
"So what I think we have is something which is, at the very best, civil war in miniature, at the very best. But I don't think it actually even meets that definition," Fry said.

Well, then what's his point???!!!

1 posted on 08/22/2006 8:04:23 AM PDT by jdm
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2 posted on 08/22/2006 8:06:13 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: oldleft

lol


3 posted on 08/22/2006 8:09:11 AM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: jdm

I thought his point was rather clear. Did you read past the headline?


4 posted on 08/22/2006 8:09:21 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: oldleft

I love visual puns.


5 posted on 08/22/2006 8:14:51 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: js1138
I'm just confused as to why someone would use such a powerful term and then precede that powerful term with the word(s) "mini" or "miniature." If the clashes don't even rise to a miniature civil war, as it seems he's saying, why use the term "Civil War" at all -- which is sure to get folks riled up for nothing?!
6 posted on 08/22/2006 8:17:42 AM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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Civil war is a generic term that means factions within a country are using military grade weapons against the government. There is nothing illogical about having different degress and intensities of warfare.

The author's point is that Iraq is stabilizing, not degenerating.


7 posted on 08/22/2006 8:25:10 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: jdm
Every two-bit pundit and Dimocrat is telling us Iraq is in a "civil war". They do so partly to make the problems seem intractable but mostly because most people apply the same term to Vietnam.

Ronald Reagan used to scoff at the term "civil war" being applied to Vietnam. In his radio spots, captured in Reagan, In His Own Hand he said North and South Vietnam had been separate countries for hundreds of years. Most of his radio spots were well-researched so I'd go with the Gipper.

8 posted on 08/22/2006 8:25:28 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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The british in general, including its military, have been utterly brainwashed into defeatism & "white liberal" guilt complex by its liberal media.
Watch the BBC news for a half hour and you want to slit your wrists. Its the most depressing news report and every problem is alway projected as the fault of white people opressing minorities.

Everytime I hear a british officer open his mouth for interviews since the war began, its been nothing but bashing the US military for its policies or complaining about how badly the war is going.


9 posted on 08/22/2006 8:28:27 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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The British deputy to the top U.S. commander in Iraq said Tuesday the country's sectarian conflict is not a full-blown civil war but could be described as a "civil war in miniature."

Civil war in miniature? BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!

Well, I guess you could say that about the Crips and the Bloods, too.

10 posted on 08/22/2006 8:30:10 AM PDT by Allegra (RIP FReeper FLYER. You will be greatly missed.)
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Aaaawwww, a tiny little civil war.

Isn't it cuuuuute?

11 posted on 08/22/2006 8:31:50 AM PDT by Allegra (RIP FReeper FLYER. You will be greatly missed.)
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I guess you could say that about the Crips and the Bloods a very good example.
12 posted on 08/22/2006 8:35:17 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: jdm
I loved Charles Krauthammer's response when asked if this was "full blown" civil war in Iraq:

"No, full blown civil war was Antietam."

13 posted on 08/22/2006 8:42:04 AM PDT by PrivateIdaho ("Underground like a wild potato.")
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"Well shoot, this ain't nothing but some feuding, between kin."


14 posted on 08/22/2006 8:46:13 AM PDT by jbwbubba
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In my judgment, we are not in a situation of civil war

And Freepers are complaining because?

15 posted on 08/22/2006 9:08:25 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: js1138
The author's point is that Iraq is stabilizing, not degenerating.

Well said

16 posted on 08/22/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Read the smegging article


17 posted on 08/22/2006 9:15:55 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (\\"You can either accept science and face reality, or live in a childish dream world" - Lisa Simpson)
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