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To: skateman

I don't think you understand the distinction between testimony--like a witness in a court--and pastoral leadership in the church, they are two different things. The Church, unlike Islam or other religions has never said women were inferior or cannot testify in court, or tell others of what God has done for them. The leadership in the institution of the Church though is a different matter. It may seem backward to you, but for Christians who accept the inspiration of the Bible...all of it, we must deal with a verse such as this:

"11Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (I Tim. 2:11-14)

Logically, unless a Christian wants to say he knows better than St. Paul, we must bow to what the scripture says here.

Immediately after this Paul gives the qualifications for church leaders:

"The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2Therefore an overseer[a] must be above reproach, the husband of one wife,[b] sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil." (I Tim. 3:1-7)


Putting these two passages together (along with various other specific instructions in the New Testament) you cannot help but conclude that Church leadership is reserved for men, period. Most who disagree just ignore these verses--without being honest in saying they think they know better (and are not as backward) as the Apostle Paul.

The basis of the Church life is Christ...and Christ said those who love Him obey Him. We know what He wants us to do in the bible. Selective obedience to the Bible (as the New Testament interprets it) is not obedience at all, and rebelliong against Christ, and hence is not loving of Him.


248 posted on 08/21/2006 8:04:38 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

I guess the Lord will explain it to me someday, but for the life of me, I fail to see why a woman is any less worthy of leadership in a church than a man.


268 posted on 08/21/2006 8:12:51 PM PDT by skateman (Bush good, demonrats bad.)
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