Posted on 08/21/2006 9:39:58 AM PDT by knighthawk
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"Americans who cherish their civil liberties are reluctant to allow the type of psychological profiling used by the Israelis to be employed at U.S. airports; they are nervous about the balance between personal freedom and public safety."
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The ones who won't agree to profiling are the ACLU, the ultra liberal socialist Democrats and other enemies of this country. I think for most rational Americans, the choice is clear. Our safety is far more important than these so-called infringements on freedom.
Twaddle.
I cherish my civil liberties, and think they include the right to bring my toothpaste along with me when I am traveling to or from an airport convenient to my home where I have lived for over 20 years. Answering reasonable questions is much less of an imposition on those liberties.
ML/NJ
I cherish my civil liberties as much as anyone, more than many.
Flying isn't a civil liberty. Neither is driving.
The airlines are not government agencies. They may impose any restrictions they want in order to have their passengers feel safe and be safe.
I fly rather a lot and have no problem with the restrictions. I don't use toothpaste on a 2 hour flight or even a 6 hour flight.
It would not surprise me if a liberal extremist were acting strangely or irrationally in an airport (or anywhere else, for that matter)... For that matter, it would not surprise me if such a person were intentionally acting strangely in order to provoke such a reaction.
I hate to burst your bubble, but Arabs and Muslims do fly on El Al. I have no doubt the Israelis know exactly who they are in every instance, and I don't blame them for scrutinizing this group closely.
I hate to burst your bubble, but Arabs and Muslims do fly on El Al. I have no doubt the Israelis know exactly who they are in every instance, and I don't blame them for scrutinizing these groups closely.
>>> they are nervous about the balance between personal freedom and public safety.
I'm guessing they are more concerned about their time than they are about their civil liberties if we are talking about the average American.
How long a conversation is required for Israeli security agents to understand who is standing in front of them and what would this mean for average wait lines at airports?
Will Americans be willing to arrive more than two hours before departure for their domestic flights or at that point will they find alternatives?
How many flights does El Al have and how many people do they have to train to meet that demand? I would guess that their volume is considerably less than that of most US airlines since most El Al flights are international. I find people are prepared to expect more review when flying internationally than they are domestically.
I saw a short soundbite on the news the other night from an Israeli security professional who said the U.S. and other western nations focus too much on finding weapons/bombs instead of the slime who are going to use the weapons/bombs.
There can be careful profiling using psychological techniques and still not get the PC crowd's panties twisted into a knot.
Cheers,
SZ
I'm guessing they are more concerned about their time than they are about their civil liberties if we are talking about the average American.
How long a conversation is required for Israeli security agents to understand who is standing in front of them and what would this mean for average wait lines at airports?
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Once, well before 9/11, when I arrived in Winnipeg, I was pulled aside and questioned at length...had my belongings searched. It was maybe a matter of minutes. The customs guys were very thorough and efficient -- asking their questions as they went through my stuff. What cracked me up was they called a woman officer over to put my belongings back in the suitcase (guess men don't know how to pack or repack...or maybe they think it's women's work). LOL
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"In one case, the national coordinator of the American Civil Liberties Union's Campaign Against Racial Profiling was pulled aside."
It occurs to me that the national coordinator was looking for exactly that outcome.
Sorry, but flying and driving are both rights. Unenumerated rights of the constitution. Also, they fall under the heading of "pursuit of happiness". Governments who tell you driving is a priviledge not a right are full of sh** and just trying to dupe you. Pity you fall for that junk.
"Flying isn't a civil liberty. Neither is driving."
I must register my disagreement. Are rowing a boat, riding a bicycle, and just plain old walking around also privileges?
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Freedom of movement, which includes the use of various forms of transportation, is a civil liberty.
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