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If the WOT is still ongoing in 2008 Rudy will win the nomination. The American people will not care about social issues if we get attacked or are threatened again.
1 posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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2 posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:35 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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Another dose of "Force the Liberal RINO Down the Conservatives' Throats"...

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3 posted on 08/21/2006 6:17:10 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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Will Giuliani's anti-gun agenda have any affect?
5 posted on 08/21/2006 6:19:08 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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The Republican Party has always been more tolerant of the liberals within its ranks!!

If you want to see hatred of dissent, look at Democrats.

That being said, Rudy won't get my support for the nomination. I love him, but he's not a social conservative and so he's not getting my vote.

6 posted on 08/21/2006 6:19:11 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Regardless of who was polled, conservatives will not vote for the candidates who stand against them on the issues:

Abortion
Partial Birth Abortion
Higher Taxes
Gun Control and/or Confiscation
Religious issues
Homosexual Agenda
School Vouchers
Illegal Invaders and/or Immigrants Amnesty

Pick any issue, and ask these candidates where they stand.
The results will shock everyone.


7 posted on 08/21/2006 6:19:31 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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Giuliani, who rose to national prominence for his take-charge performance after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, supports gay rights, gun control and legalized abortion

If the choice did come down to Guiliani or an unstable McCain, I would probably have to go with McCain.

9 posted on 08/21/2006 6:21:56 AM PDT by Always Right
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Wrong bubba. I am not voting for him; neither are my wife and 2 sons. National security is number one on my list, but not the only thing on my list. I will not sell my soul to the devil.

Flame away; I don't give a dime.

10 posted on 08/21/2006 6:23:55 AM PDT by gedeon3
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To: areafiftyone
"The American people will not care about social issues if we get attacked or are threatened again."

LOL! That has to qualify as the dumbest statement of the day!

11 posted on 08/21/2006 6:25:05 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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Those voters tend to be more progressive in outlook and are more inclined to support someone like Giuliani.

I don't consider fudge packing, gun grabbing, or baby killing to be progress.

14 posted on 08/21/2006 6:28:22 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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The American people will not care about social issues if we get attacked or are threatened again.

Except it won't be 'either-or' in the primaries. For most republicans, it is 'both'!

17 posted on 08/21/2006 6:29:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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Hillary or Rudy? Now that's a no-brainer.


21 posted on 08/21/2006 6:33:42 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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It's hard to keep up with all the Rudy / McNutt stories.

24 posted on 08/21/2006 6:35:08 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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26 posted on 08/21/2006 6:35:51 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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It found 36 percent of Americans see him as a political moderate, 29 percent said conservative, and 15 percent said liberal. Twenty percent are not sure.

Well, there we have it. If advocating for partial birth abortion is moderate / conservative - 65% are stupid. Add the 20% ignorant, and it is a total non-story.

31 posted on 08/21/2006 6:38:11 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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I don't know of any social conservatives who will vote for Mr. Giuliani. I certainly won't.

The majority of Republicans are socially conservative, however, not all of these folks should be mistaken for social conservatives. There are many Republicans who are pro-life, pro-family, pro-2nd Amendment, but for whom there are greater, more important issues. These folks are socially conservative, but not social conservatives.

For social conservatives, the issues where Mr. Giuliani is wrong are the most important issues. These folks don't comprise a majority of the Republican Party. However, they compromise a very large minority in the party, and a large minority in the overall electorate. Republican candidates can't be elected without these folks (and, in fact, it's nearly impossible to get nominated without them, as well). Republicans are elected in part because these folks vote so lopsidedly for Republcan candidates.

Mr. Giuliani is unable to win lopsided majorities of these folks. I'm not sure he can win even a simple majority of social conservatives.

Republicans won't win in 2008 if our candidate is little more than an echo of the Democrat candidate, except maybe a little more hawkish on the war.


37 posted on 08/21/2006 6:41:51 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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It reflected what some said is a shift in attitude toward GOP candidates with more liberal views on social issues

With the GOP's already evident "more liberal views" on government, defense, and economic issues, the parties conservative views on social issues are all I have/had left ?!?!?

44 posted on 08/21/2006 6:47:37 AM PDT by Theophilus (Abortion = Child Sacrifice = Future Sacrifice)
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It'll be 7 years from 9/11. Rudy's record in NYC was very liberal, although not compared to any other NYC mayor. He's been pro-illegal (making NYC a sanctuary city in essence), he's pro-gay-marriage, he's pro-abortion and I think pro-partial birth.

Certainly a Giuliani administration would fund embryonic stem cells (and those people don't need any more money, it's a scam to begin with) and would not care about social issues, even if Rudy happens to line up with conservatives on them.

And what kind of judges do you think he'd nominate? I'm thinking we'd be lucky to get an Anthony Kennedy.

That being said, I don't think he's a bad guy and I think he's a perfect VP choice. If the POTUS cannot serve, it's likely to be due to terrorism and we'll need a Rudy at that point.

48 posted on 08/21/2006 6:48:18 AM PDT by AmishDude
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Wrong! Illegal amnesty, and he is all the way for lettnig anyone who ever gets in having amnesty. I saw him interviewed, he was really good to illegals in New York when he was mayor. I could vote for him except for that.


51 posted on 08/21/2006 6:50:34 AM PDT by libbylu
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I have no doubt the party hacks will support Giuliani, but the base voters won't.


58 posted on 08/21/2006 7:00:09 AM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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The American people will not care about social issues if we get attacked or are threatened again.

Why would Rudy put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court if he's pro-choice?

68 posted on 08/21/2006 7:12:30 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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