Judge: Okla. 10 Commandments monument OK

Arizona Daily Star (THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ) ^

[SandRat]

A federal judge on Friday said a Ten Commandments monument outside a courthouse can stay, rejecting arguments that it promotes Christianity at the expense of other religions.

U.S. District Judge Ronald A. White in Muskogee, Okla., ruled that Haskell County did not violate the Constitution by erecting the monument.

The county did not "overstep the constitutional line demarcating government neutrality toward religion," he wrote.

[SandRat]

here's the link to the rest of the story http://www.azstarnet.net/allheadlines/142797

ACLU LOSES!!!

[Bigh4u2]

"The county did not "overstep the constitutional line demarcating government neutrality toward religion," he wrote."

I like this judge.

None of the 'separation of church and state' PC garbage.

He states what the Constitution declares.

[Outland]

This judge impresses me.

We need amendments to forbid the ACLU, socialism and communism.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

It really does'nt matter if christianity is promoted over other religions.The founders stated that America was founded on judeao/christian principles.It is actually the OTHER RELIGIONS which have to prove themselves a place here!

[OriginalIntent]

Because Americans did not agree with the far left radical view of the ACLU right from the founding of the country, the ACLU continues to try to use judges to erase the Constitution and rewrite a new one.

The ACLU is simply a group of lawless lawyers who hate the Constitution as defined by almost 200 years of American legal history.

I am glad to see that not every judge accepts the lawless, revisionist brainwashing as promoted by friends of the radical ACLU criminals.

[Oklahoma]

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http://www.newsok.com/article/2833158/

[Van Jenerette]

"..all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..."

This is not a religious neutral statement. In order for this to be carried into society, the people as a whole must acknowledge the exhistence of God. If there is no GOD, this statement is usless and void.

Without 'Creator' the statement then becomes 'arguable' as to the source of rights. Then, who ever has the most 'power' to force their version of rights(or CREATOR) WINS, and the weak are left only with those rights the powerful dispense. Period.

For example: An individuals rights under the concept of Christian RIGHTS are a whole lot different than those individual rights under the concept of Hindu RIGHTS.

Under Atheist, or Darwinist...rights are the peragotive of the stronger or the most suited to survive, in that order.

It's a paradox, my friend. Even 'no-religion-anti-christ-no-nothings' are better off under a system of Christian based governance.

best,

Katherine & Van Jenerette
www.jenerette.com/senate

[loboinok]

Being an Okie and a member of Stop the ACLU I found this very interesting... "The ACLU had originally submitted a motion to the court requesting that its name be held in confidentiality so that the public and any jury would not know that it was behind the suit. The request became moot when the case went to trial without a jury."

The ACLU is starting to realize that the American people are starting to learn and recognize what they really stand for.

[Frank_2001]

GOOD! They're only carrying water for atheists in this country anyway. BTW I find it interesting that a set of laws given by God to Moses 1,500 years or so before the birth of Christ can be seen as specifically "promoting Christianity". Good judge!

[alvindsv]

Great to see other fellow Okies on here.

I had the opportunity to assist in the defense of a young man charged with bank robbery in the Federal Court in Muskogee. Judge White was our judge in the case. I pretty impressed with him. He was extremely nice individual with a sense of humor, but also a no-nonsense type of judge.

[loboinok]

Welcome to FR alvindsv.

"I had the opportunity to assist in the defense of a young man charged with bank robbery in the Federal Court in Muskogee."

You lost didn't you? ;^)

[alvindsv]

What gives you that idea?

Of course we lost. However, I believe it was because he was tried with the two other robbers to whom there was a mountain of evidence. Even the prosecutor admitted to me that he was doubtful he could get a conviction if he tried our guy alone.

But alas, that was the past and I no longer practice law. I now spend my days concentrating on teaching high school students history.

[loboinok]

"What gives you that idea?"

Lucky guess.

I imagine it would be difficult to successfully defend a bank robbery charge these days. What with all the technology,etc.

Unless you are fortunate enough to catch a technicality.

[TexasJackFlash]

"The county did not "overstep the constitutional line demarcating government neutrality toward religion," he wrote." I like this judge. None of the 'separation of church and state' PC garbage. He states what the Constitution declares.


I thought "government neutrality toward religon" was what "Separation of Church and State" was all about. The judge acknowledged the validity of "Separation of Church and State", but held that the display did not violate it.

I read the Judge's 43 page opinion and formed the opinion that his ruling was wrong. I believe the facts demonstrate that it was a violation of the Constitution. You can read his opinon for yourself at http://www.telladf.org/UserDocs/HaskellOpinion.pdf

[xzins]

Nope, the judge got it right. There were a number of other monuments, and this was just one of many.

There appears to be a process for approving displays in that area, and anyone is able to go through that process to gain approval for their display based on the rules of space, appearance, quality, etc. If Satanists can get backing for their display, can convince others of the need for theirs, can get it through the people, through the rules of space, quality, and decorum, and get it past the commissioners, then more power to them.

Bottom line, though, it's Wednesday morning in Muskogee, OK, and everyone is free to go or not go to the church of their choice. In short, there is no established religion in Muskogee.

[TexasJackFlash]

There appears to be a process for approving displays in that area, and anyone is able to go through that process to gain approval for their display based on the rules of space, appearance, quality, etc. If Satanists can get backing for their display, can convince others of the need for theirs, can get it through the people, through the rules of space, quality, and decorum, and get it past the commissioners, then more power to them.

Have you actually read the Judge's opinion, or did you just pull that out of your butt?

[xzins]

Nope. Read a bunch of Oklahoma papers for a while now.

A group initiated and paid for it. They asked permission of the commissioners per the rules of the area. The commissioners considered it, and then they gave their permission. They didn't fund it. It was just another rock in the many rocks of their display.

They can put up a rock spaceship next if they want to. Who cares? Just find a spaceship group that wants to do the leg work for approval. And, no, I don't know the commissioners' rules and standards for inclusion, but I'll bet you could write Muskogee and get them.

Even the judge said that it was no big deal. They put it up and everyone forgot about it. Just another decoration.

[TexasJackFlash]

He states what the Constitution declares.

Where is the "lemon test" in the U. S. Constitution?

[TexasJackFlash]

We need amendments to forbid the ACLU, socialism and communism.

What about an amendment that authorizes sever punishments (up to life in prison) for civil servants who trespass upon the prerogatives of Jehovah?