MODERN MANNERS (Offering a Woman a Seat Is 'Creepy,' According to GQ)

New York Post ^ | August 18, 2006 | Liz Smith

[nickcarraway]

'WOMEN ARE equals now. They can fend for themselves. To offer a perfectly healthy woman a seat simply because she is a woman, however well-intentioned, is creepy. At best, she'll think you're from another country; at worst she'll feel old, or overweight enough to be perceived as pregnant."

And that is a lesson in modern manners, according to the new issue of GQ (with Clive Owen on the cover). Glenn O'Brien and other GQ scribes weigh in on e-mails, cellphones, gym etiquette, dressing for travel, how to handle chatty seatmates, sleeping with your friend's ex, online dating, wedding gifts and how to treat gay people: "Gay people don't want to freshen up the world, they just want to be a part of it." (So don't ask for makeovers and fashion tips.)

Oh, but you certainly should open doors for women: "Why? To be nice, you mannerless ape!"

[HitmanLV]

I agree. People (of both sexes, all political stripes) impute all sorts of unflattering things to attractive people, especially women. It really makes no sense, but what does make sense is that a woman would just reject a man who harbors all sorts of negative feelings about her even before he gets to know her well.

[California Patriot]

"Many attractive women who have sound judgment and good taste in men." Sure, there are "many." I doubt it's a majority.

I certainly don't think you're a jerk based on your success with hot ladies. Clearly, you are attractive to them in some way, and a nice guy can be attractive to them. But it's not necessarily because you're a great guy, because that's not the fundamental thing in physical attraction. And I don't think your track record means you have superior insight, into them let alone into me.

[California Patriot]

Not less than human. Less human.

[Victoria Delsoul]

That's what I mean when I say I like to surround myself with positive thinking people. Negativity is something I avoid at all costs, it isn't good for the mind or the spirit and doesn't help.

[HitmanLV]

Not less than human. Less human.

What normal woman worth knowing would be attracted by that menatlity? Reread what you are writing, and rethink what you are thinking.

[Victoria Delsoul]

And by the way, don't waste your time here. There are things more interesting than trying to make sense to a wall.

[HitmanLV]

But it's not necessarily because you're a great guy, because that's not the fundamental thing in physical attraction.

Very true.

And I don't think your track record means you have superior insight, into them let alone into me.

True, not necessarily, but it this case I do have something to offer. Your negativity comes through so clearly in every post, and your hostility peeks through now and then. Neither are appealing qualities to quality women. It's not surprising that they consistently pass on you, given that subtext.

Let me ask, what would a very attractive women find appealing in you, and what would alienate her? If they are all (or mostly) so shallow, specifically what are they missing out with you?

[HitmanLV]

Would you find a man who though very attractive women were shallow and (in his own 'defense') 'less human?'

And they wonder why women don't run to the phone and return their calls.

Astonishing. As I have said, it is to women's CREDIT that they reject negative men.

[California Patriot]

You have consistently ignored what I have said: My negative attitude is the result of many such experiences. For years, I kept up and showed a largely positive attitude. But since that doesn't fit into your little dime-store psychological scheme, you ignore it. I'm through communicating with you and through with your smug preaching.

[HitmanLV]

There is great comfort in holding on to the idea that goodlooking women consistently reject a man because of some deficiency in them.

To be fair, sometimes this is true.

But it's a lot more risky to consider that there is some kind of personal qualities that are alienating women. That's scary to some folks, as it puts them in a position where they are actually responsible for their results.

Conservatives are responsible for their results. Liberals find excuses.

And by the way, I tend to think women like a man who takes a risk now and then, and tend to pass by men who are more fearful.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Would you find a man who though very attractive women were shallow and (in his own 'defense') 'less human?'

Are you kidding me? If a man says that about me without even talking to me and without knowing me, I would tell him to go and do something anatomically impossible to himself and to leave me alone. I like someone with the capacity to think and not to just parrot the general line that attractive women are shallow and less human.

[HitmanLV]

I didn't ignore a word of what you said. I read it and understood it. It's just that it's total BS and not an excuse.

You come across as hostile, negative, angry and petty.

And you wonder why goodlooking women don't like you.

Astonishing.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Conservatives are responsible for their results

And take responsibility - and for crying out loud, they don't whine.

[HitmanLV]

"Less human." Yea, women love that kinda talk, no? Turns them on.

[HitmanLV]

"Hot women are shallow, live in a fanatsy world, and are less human! AND THEY DON'T LIKE ME!! WHAAAAA!"

What a mindset. Are you shocked that it doesn't work?

[Victoria Delsoul]

LOL!!! I'm just laughing. This is too silly to take it seriously.

[California Patriot]

Take responsibility if the responsibility is theirs.

[California Patriot]

If you can't take it seriously, why don't you butt out.

[HitmanLV]

It makes no sense, does it?

[Victoria Delsoul]

If you can't take it seriously, why don't you butt out.

Because this is a public forum and I wasn't posting to you. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. My conversation is with Hitman not you.