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Poland's Walesa says Grass owes Poles explanation
The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | August 18, 2006 | Natalia Reiter

Posted on 08/18/2006 9:46:55 AM PDT by lizol

Poland's Walesa says Grass owes Poles explanation

By Natalia Reiter REUTERS

8:58 a.m. August 18, 2006

WARSAW – Polish Solidarity hero Lech Walesa urged German author Guenter Grass on Friday to prove that a confession about his membership in Hitler's SS was not just a marketing ploy to promote his new novel.

The former Polish president also said he would give up his honorary citizenship of Poland's city of Gdansk, if Grass, also a holder of the same title, failed to explain why he decided to confess when his autobiography 'Peeling Onions' came out.

'If Grass will not address his Polish friends, friends who once trusted him, and explain all this, I will myself give up the title ... I do not want to be in the same club with such a person,' Walesa told Reuters by telephone from Gdansk. 'Right now it looks like a very successful attempt to promote his new book,' he said.

German bookshops are struggling to keep up with demand for Grass's book saying that his shocking confession has contributed to the successful sale.

The book was due for sale from Sept. 1 but publication was hurriedly brought forward after the storm of controversy over Grass's confession last week.

Grass's confession was followed by calls from Polish officials on Grass to give up his honorary Gdansk citizenship but he said on Thursday he did not intend to do that.

Walesa criticised the winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize for literature for failing to address the Polish public or Gdansk councillors who awarded him the prestigious title, saying this bordered on arrogance.

'Grass is speaking with the typical German arrogance without understanding the position of his Polish friends,' he said.

During his career, Grass has worked to improve relations between Poland and Germany. After the war he became an outspoken pacifist and a promoter of an open history dialogue between the two European neighbours.

'I still have respect for Grass but let us be honest about it: he has fooled us, he lied to us in the past... now he should try to make it up,' Walesa said.

A poll showed most Germans sympathised with Grass's late confession. A Polis-USUMA survey for Focus magazine found that 54 percent of respondents understood his decision compared to 38 percent who said they did not.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; grass; guentergrass; lechwalesa; nazi; nazipast; poland; ss; walesa
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1 posted on 08/18/2006 9:46:57 AM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 08/18/2006 9:47:41 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

I ususaly dont like to glow over someones missfortune or scandall. But this is one of rare exeptions.

so, here I go... "IN YOUR FACE GUNTER! YOU SUPPORTED AGRESSION ON SERBIA IN 1999! NO WANDER! YOU DID IT ONCE BEFORE!"

I totaly disslike that man...
And this is traditional Slavic anti-germanism...


3 posted on 08/18/2006 9:52:54 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: kronos77
The funniest thing about him is, that he was the first to condemn Germany for being silent about their Nazi past.

Pathetic.
4 posted on 08/18/2006 9:56:46 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: kronos77

Misfortune? Scandal?

He's raking in millions just because he finally admitted he was once in the Waffen SS - and that's selling lots of books.

I don't think he is suffering.


5 posted on 08/18/2006 9:57:17 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

If Bin laden wrote autobiography, it wold outrank Mein kampf by far...
This world just loooove tirants and mass murderers.

Come on, who would read a book from a guy that isnt nazi, or commie, or muzzie?


6 posted on 08/18/2006 10:00:38 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: lizol

Yeah.
Real scumbag.

Luckuly, in Serbia we dont have ex nazis, but we have alot of ex commies. Nowdays, they are called pro-european democrates. Former comisaars, and comisaars children.

Like they breed them and train them to take their fathers places!


7 posted on 08/18/2006 10:03:21 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: kronos77
Luckuly, in Serbia we dont have ex nazis, but we have alot of ex commies. Nowdays, they are called pro-european democrates. Former comisaars, and comisaars children.

Tell me - a Pole - about it :-)))
8 posted on 08/18/2006 10:35:10 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

LOL!

Know what made me happy? some weeks a go in Czech reoublic was summist Of Sokol organisation, slavic traditional gymnastic organisations. Patriotism and conservativism in on eplace. No commies, no multiculturalists, no gays...


9 posted on 08/18/2006 10:44:43 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: kronos77

There used to be Sokol in Poland too, but before WW2.

Same profile, same name of the organisation.


10 posted on 08/18/2006 10:53:10 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

Man, that organisation should be reactivated. They ver panslavic organisation, polish, Serbic, bulgarian, Czecho-Slovak. Just great. In Serbi astarded in small reactivation, but as usual without goverment support.

As usual, anything that isnt EU loving, Soros Zombies kill.
:(


11 posted on 08/18/2006 11:07:27 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: kronos77
I was wrong, looks like they're still active.

However - not very active, if I have not heard about them :-)))

http://www.sokol.org.pl/index1.html
12 posted on 08/18/2006 11:25:07 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol; kronos77

I didn't hear about them either. But this is not surprising due to the fact gymnastic is not very popular sport in Poland and probably one of the last covered by media. I have read a bit about history of Polish “Sokol” from their website (what a great, long and well documented article!), they put the accent on patriotism not pan-Slavism, which is considered in our country as a discredited ideology which the Russians tried to use to justify their occupation of Poland.


13 posted on 08/18/2006 12:57:07 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: lizol
First of all how the hell a guy, who during the cold war was "an outspoken pacifist" could get that honorary citizenship ?
14 posted on 08/18/2006 1:05:56 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: kronos77; lizol
Luckuly, in Serbia we dont have ex nazis, but we have alot of ex commies. Nowdays, they are called pro-european democrates. Former comisaars, and comisaars children.

Well that is your very own problem. Besides - if you (or anybody else) do not want to be a member of the European Union (pro-european probably means pro-EU) simply stay out. There seems to be a widespread inabillity in eastern Europe to say no to something that is obviously not wanted. The EU is more than a self-service-outlet or just a free-trade-area. It is a political alliance with the aim to close integration. For sure something completely different to your wishes.

Therefore it would be helpful if you guys could resolve it in advance if you want to belong to greater Europe or not. To join the choir of the all time whiners inside the EU is a bad solution to you, since then you lost much -if not all- of your abillity to act. European integration is something (as long as we speak of western Europe) that will move on irresistible, because there are lots of benefits for the involved nations in it. If we observe it from the beginnings (Franco-Allmand Montanunion, treaties of Rome) until today it can be said that there was always more EU and never ever less, although we had as much people who were against it here in the west as you have in the east today.

The opening towards eastern Europe was a nessecary act to stabilize the new democracies and their economies. Furthermore it was invitation to be part of the western society. Part of this invitation are many unconvienent duties but also many benefits. If a country takes part it gets itself and its values involved into a bigger coherence. On the other way nothing can be forced. This is a experience that i.e. the Poles undergo in the moment. Therefore - it is a invitation that nobody has to accept. Personally I think it is better to stay out -even if a country is completely dependent on the EU like Serbia- if you dismiss the EU than to fall into self-denial.

15 posted on 08/19/2006 1:08:09 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: lizol
I do not respect and forgive such a man. If someone made a complete fool out of me and betrayed my trust - that would be the end of our friendship. The City Of Gdansk should find a way to annul Grass' honorary citizenship. This once German - now Polish - city does not deserve to be stained by an unrepentant Nazi.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

16 posted on 08/19/2006 1:15:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: lizol

Grass is simply a a**hole. There is no other word for it. He never said the truth and now he uses his trivial past (it is practially sure that he was no real "war-criminal" since he was 17 back then) to trigger the sales of his new boring book...

He even claims that he rolled the dice with pope Benedict in a POW-camp back then. Yeah yeah...


17 posted on 08/19/2006 1:17:33 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: lizol

Cool. Rook threatens queen.


18 posted on 08/19/2006 1:18:25 AM PDT by bad company (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks his closet for FReeper kanawa)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Because he hid his true nature well. A wolf disguised as a sheep. He had every one fooled. I don't buy this as a marketing ploy. A deathbed confession after all is usually a confession of one's lifetime sins. The Left shouldn't be so shocked after it sat in judgments of others. I'm delighted they've been blackened by their association with the now disgraced Grass.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

19 posted on 08/19/2006 1:21:16 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Grass' reputation rests principally on "Tin Drum" trilogy. His later work never quite lived up to what brought him post-War fame. The reason why this is a big story is because of his stature in Europe. The European intelligentsia today is largely anti-American and anti-Israel. Its fashionable there to hate both countries and laud Marxism but the last great taboo in Europe is a proscription of everything Nazi in the life of the Continent's politics.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

20 posted on 08/19/2006 1:26:13 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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