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Saudi Arabia buys 72 Eurofighters
BBC ^ | 18 August 2006 | BBC

Posted on 08/18/2006 2:21:05 AM PDT by Jordi

The Eurofighter has taken more than 20 years to design and build

Saudi Arabia has confirmed it is to buy 72 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft from the UK, in a deal that could be worth more than £6bn ($10bn).

The contract, brokered between the Saudi government and the Ministry of Defence, will safeguard thousands of jobs at UK defence firm BAE Systems.

Saudi Arabia is buying the Eurofighters to replace its range of Tornado jets which were also made by BAE.

The Eurofighter was developed by BAE with European firms EADS and Alenia.

Confidential figure

"The required commercial principles have now been agreed which has initiated the purchase of Typhoon aircraft and the associated commitment to the industrial plan to be launched," said the Ministry of Defence.

Its [Saudi Arabia's] relationship with the West is very very important so yes there will be criticism but I think one can knock that down quite easily

Defence analyst Howard Wheeldon

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The ministry added that as the financial details of the deal were confidential, it could not reveal exactly how much it was worth.

Some newspaper reports have suggested it could total as much as £10bn.

The Eurofighter's UK headquarters is at Warton, Lancashire, where BAE employs 9,000 people in its aircraft division.

Confirmation of the Saudi deal, which was first proposed in December, saw BAE's shares rise 3% in early Friday trading in London. [...]

Long delays

The Saudi deal is the first confirmed order for the Eurofighter to come from outside the European Union.

Inside Europe, the plane has been ordered by the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy and Austria.

The development of the Eurofighter has been hit by rows and delays, and the project going significantly over-budget.

With work first starting in the early 1980s, the maiden flight did not take place until 1994.

The plane is in competition with the US Joint Strike Fighter and the French Rafale.

While some people have previously criticised arms sales to Saudi Arabia, citing its human rights record and lack of democracy, defence expert Howard Wheeldon disagreed.

"It [Saudi] has a tremendous reputation of trying to help and assist in the various Middle East disputes and its relationship with the West is very very important so yes there will be criticism but I think one can knock that down quite easily," he told the BBC's Five Live Breakfast


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: arab; arabia; armsbuildup; bae; britain; dollar; eads; euro; eurofighter; europe; finmeccanica; france; germany; iran; iraq; islam; israel; italy; lebanon; middleeast; muslim; saudiarabia; spain; typhoon; warplanes
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1 posted on 08/18/2006 2:21:08 AM PDT by Jordi
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To: Jordi

Think Isreal is going to rethink turning down the F22 offer.


2 posted on 08/18/2006 2:21:49 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: Crazieman

What you talking about? Israel didn't turn down any f22 offer


3 posted on 08/18/2006 2:30:24 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Jordi

Is the JSF more modern than the Eurofighter? Also, the Eurofighter and the JSF are probably going to be the main rivals globally, with probably only France using their fighters (and some former French African countries, too).


4 posted on 08/18/2006 2:52:16 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Is the JSF more modern than the Eurofighter? Also, the Eurofighter and the JSF are probably going to be the main rivals globally, with probably only France using their fighters (and some former French African countries, too).

That would be the start to a very, very long discussion as to which aircraft is "better". The JSF/F-35 of course is a few years younger, therefore more new technology could be implemented, however the Eurofighter had been designed with upgradability in mind. The main advantages of the F-35 are its versatility and low visibility, whereas the Eurofighter offers other features such as supercruise (the only other fighter plane to have this feature is the F-22).

I'd say it depends on the mission. The Eurofighter is a great aircraft and probably a lot better than the Rafale or the Russian alternatives. It should be able to (theoretically) hold its own against the F-35. The F-22 on the other hand is flat-out amazing, but then again, it's in a totally different league than the Eurofighter, also and especially pricewise.
5 posted on 08/18/2006 3:06:50 AM PDT by wolf78
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To: Jordi

There are cheaper target drones out there...


6 posted on 08/18/2006 4:03:28 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: wolf78

I don't believe we offered Israel the F-22. In fact, wasn't there a debate recently about the fact that the US should not export the F-22 to keep our edge? I happen to agree with those that want to keep the F-22 a US fighter exclusively.


7 posted on 08/18/2006 4:25:18 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: wolf78; Jedi Master Pikachu; Pukin Dog

This looks like a good question for PD!!!!

Anyway,the EF-2000 is usually rated as a better fighter than the JSF or the Rafale,though not on strike missions.FYI,Ive read that Saudi Arabia may also buy the Rafale.No African nation can afford the Rafale-its too expensive.Right now it's only offered to biggies like Saudi Arabia,Japan,India etc.


8 posted on 08/18/2006 4:38:06 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Londo Molari

The F22 will be offered to the closest allies of the US, primarily the UK, Australia and Japan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006063001695.html

It's doubtful the UK will buy them as their combination of Typhoons and JSF's offer much better value for money against any of the aircraft their enemies possess. The only reason for non-US countries to buy the Raptor is if their enemies own them, which is highly unlikely.


9 posted on 08/18/2006 5:06:58 AM PDT by AdAstraPerArdua
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To: AdAstraPerArdua

The only nations which can afford & probably need the F-22A are Israel & Japan.Australia has pretty low defense budget for the purpose & they need a real multi-role aircraft to replace their F-111s.Something like the F-15E.


10 posted on 08/18/2006 5:18:37 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Crazieman
We don't have any F-22s to offer. We aren't even going to build a fifth of what is needed for our own forces.

This administration is just not serious about deployments. Underbuying-has drastically inflated unit-cost. Which creates a vicious cycle of further opposition to deployment.

11 posted on 08/18/2006 5:51:59 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
the EF-2000 is usually rated as a better fighter than the JSF

Certainly in range...but in a real head-to-head? I would take the JSF.

12 posted on 08/18/2006 5:54:02 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is that rating done by the same people that prefer Airbus to Boeing?


13 posted on 08/18/2006 5:57:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; All
Answers to questions on this thread:

In a visual fight, the Eurofighter destroys the JSF. It is much more maneuverable, faster, and carries better air-to-air weapons. The JSF is a strike fighter, not a superior dogfighting platform. Its only edge will be that it will be hard to detect due to a limited stealth capability. If seen, an F-15 would destroy it. But a Eurofighter smokes an F-15 every time.

Japan and Israel WILL receive the F-22, additional productions lines will be opening shortly after final Congressional approval. Saudi Arabia is buying the Eurofighter because unlike with the F-15, they will not again receive America's best fighter.
14 posted on 08/18/2006 6:23:36 AM PDT by Pukin Dog
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To: Jordi

gee, just what we need, sell 75 top level fighters to the country that caused 911.


15 posted on 08/18/2006 9:31:51 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: 4rcane

I read an article that said Israel turned it down in favor of the JSF because the F22 was too expensive.


16 posted on 08/18/2006 10:11:24 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: American in Israel
Just make sure the Navy adds the Eurofighter emmisions to the dual threat library in the SLC-32.

Given they would be flown by Saudis.......
17 posted on 08/18/2006 11:24:12 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Jordi

Oh great, I can think of a few things to do:

1. This proves Victor Davis Hanson's assertion in black and white that you Europeans are hypocrites when it comes to doing business with people you call repungent. I remember it is not so long ago that you, on the pages of The (UK) Independent, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, or El Pais on your home country, would be standing loud and denouncing US cobbling with financing-jihad Saudi Arabia.

2. It shows that at last the US is start to stop treating Saudi Arabia as "close ally".


18 posted on 08/18/2006 4:37:22 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The languages may be dialects, but America is different from the Anglo world due to US Founding.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The only nations which can afford & probably need the F-22A are Israel & Japan.

The Israelis need it for sure. But afford it? BuHuHaHa!

19 posted on 08/21/2006 1:09:48 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Afford as in via military aid..........


20 posted on 08/21/2006 6:53:55 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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