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To: bray
One fake, all fake!

Then there are no valid creationist arguments or spokespersons. Kent Hovind alone would suffice, never mind all the pure nonsense Duane Gish, Jonathan Sarfati, Jonathan Wells, Philip Johnson, etc. have written. Never mind the remainder of your post coming up.

It wasn’t so long ago that the Coelacanth was the transitional fossil de jour...

Pamphlet nonsense, rebutted on these threads over and over. Your one fake is up.

Another blow to the Tiktaalik is the fact that the fins evolutionists claim allow it to crawl on land are not attached to the skeletal structure with bone; the connection is made with muscle.

This appears to be just wrong. Note here for instance:

Tiktaalik fits this pattern to a T. In most respects its body is fish-like: it has fins and gill arches, just like a fish. However, its skull and especially its limbs mark it as a tetrapod ancestor. Species such as Panderichthys had true fins, similar to those of modern ray-finned fishes, consisting of an array of long, thin, spindly bones unsuitable for bearing weight. On the other side of the gap is Acanthostega, with true limbs - each containing a radius and an ulna, just like our arms, and outfitted with eight true toes. Tiktaalik is intermediate between the two, with limb-like fins terminating in stubby bones that were neither fin rays nor true digits. In addition, the skull of Tiktaalik is very tetrapod-like, and notably, it has a neck. This is a tetrapod feature not found in fishes, whose skull and shoulder girdle are joined together. Tiktaalik's shoulder girdle is stout and strong, capable of bearing weight, more like a tetrapod than a fish. Its ears, too, are an intermediate characteristic. In the course of evolution, the hyomandibular bone, which in fish helps to articulate the jaw, in mammals shrank, migrated deeper into the skull and became the stapes, the "stirrup" bone used to transmit sound vibrations into the inner ear. Tiktaalik's hyomandibular bone shows this transition in progress: it has shortened like the mammalian stapes, but has not yet moved back into the skull.
From "Hello, Beautiful! Fake two.

The scientists in their verve to find a transitional fossil, ignored evidence from the natural world and basic physics when making their interpretations.

What are you talking about? You said there weren't any. Now you're doing that dishonest thing of saying, yes, they exist but it's all interpretation, you see, blah, blah, blah.

In the one case, they really don't exist. Everyone knows this and scientists are scratching their heads why not.

Now you're saying scientists AREN'T scratching their heads. They think they have the transitionals but only you know they don't.

Bait and switch. You're up to three fakes already, personally, in one post and not a single good penny.

(BTW, there aren't any good creation/ID pennies. I've been looking since early 1999 for just one.)

For years evolutionists have declared that dinosaurs evolved into birds.

Earth to bray: The evidence for that is better than ever and they still think so.

This theory took a serious hit when paleobiologist Alan Feduccia of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill challenged the conclusion.

He's a voice in the wilderness, a bit of a crackpot, but he accepts evolution. He thinks birds evolved from archosaurs along a line which left no evidence. He's ignoring all the evidence that birds evolved from theropods, which is considerable. He's been doing that for decades in the face of ever-mounting contrary evidence, something like a creatonist.

So keep throwing those phony transitional species and we will keep shooting them down. I do admire your faith though.

All bad pennies. No donut. In particular, I warned you in advance not to do the stupid bait and switch argument on whether transitional evidence exists at all. There's no stopping you from simply parroting your talking points anyway.

Worse yet, you're not a particularly egregious example of creation/ID posting. You're doing it pretty much according to the standard template.

166 posted on 08/17/2006 7:49:29 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

That is pure speculation to pound a round peg into a square hole. You must pine for the days when there was no internet to check your facts.

"Called "Tiktaalik" by scientists, the fish lived in shallow, swampy waters. Most remarkably, the creature, which was less than 3 feet long, had the body of a fish but the jaws, ribs and limb-like fins seen in the earliest land mammals." The claim that the stubby little fossil fins are "limb-like" is a real hoot. The fish doesn't even have fins as large as expected for its size. The scientists are claiming the fish walked around on the ground out of water and breathing air. This is pure make believe speculation. No evidence exists that the fish is anything more than just another species.

The excitement about the Tiktaalik fossil is puzzling. Modern-day seals have fins and waddle around on the ground. Modern-day catfish have fins and walk around on the ground. They can live out of water for a long time with dying. Tiktaalik does not provide any support for evolution.

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Shalom Israel


200 posted on 08/17/2006 9:48:30 PM PDT by bray (Bring Back Bibi)
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