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To: VadeRetro

That is pure speculation to pound a round peg into a square hole. You must pine for the days when there was no internet to check your facts.

"Called "Tiktaalik" by scientists, the fish lived in shallow, swampy waters. Most remarkably, the creature, which was less than 3 feet long, had the body of a fish but the jaws, ribs and limb-like fins seen in the earliest land mammals." The claim that the stubby little fossil fins are "limb-like" is a real hoot. The fish doesn't even have fins as large as expected for its size. The scientists are claiming the fish walked around on the ground out of water and breathing air. This is pure make believe speculation. No evidence exists that the fish is anything more than just another species.

The excitement about the Tiktaalik fossil is puzzling. Modern-day seals have fins and waddle around on the ground. Modern-day catfish have fins and walk around on the ground. They can live out of water for a long time with dying. Tiktaalik does not provide any support for evolution.

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200 posted on 08/17/2006 9:48:30 PM PDT by bray (Bring Back Bibi)
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To: bray
I substantiated my assertion. You repeated yours. Do you see a difference? Is there a source for your mumbles? Is that source accurately citing the primary literature?

My substantiated assertion conflicts with your repeated unsubstantiated one. No one has discredited Tiktaalik. It's a fish trending strongly amphibian. It has the whole suite of features one might expect in such a creature. The forelimbs are if anything closer to amphibian than fish. You cite the Internet, vaguely and generally. I'd suggest you do a Google and start reading.

205 posted on 08/18/2006 5:57:22 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: bray

Have you looked at the fossils of Tiktaalik's forelimbs? If so, it would be impossible for you to say that they are mere fish fins. They contain bones and joints never seen in fish and which are more primitive variants of the earliest tetrapods' forelimbs. This is a fish with wrists!

I really really wish you would check the facts for real. I'm sure there's a university nearby where you could go and look up the original research articles.


247 posted on 08/18/2006 8:49:36 AM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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